New Pet Peeve

[Jim Watson]

Time for a new Pet Peeve. Looks like a #2A, another misuse of terminology.

Why, when there are so many people who will hammer you on the difference between a clip and a magazine, are there so many, some of them the same experts, who think the aiming system on, say, an M1 or M16 is "open sights?" I have heard this from expert target shooters referring to their $500 Centra (Highpower) or Baldwin (BPCR) aperture (peep, diopter) sights as "open." It is all too common usage these days that any sight not telescopic is "open."

Not when I came up, but as Jeff Cooper said, the past is a different world, they do things differently there.

 

[Hoppy590]

well language is a dynamic force, and is totaly dependant on our use of it. if you want to keep the terms the same as the past, the best way is to promote thier correct use. i personaly try to keep, and explain the differance between a magazine and a clip, a gun and a rifle. when refering to non-optical type sights. i prefer the term "iron sights" as my understanding is this phrase includes peep sights, tang sight, post and notch sights, groove sights, and elevator sights.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

i prefer the term "iron sights"

Thats really no more accurate than "open sights" though.

 

['Card]

Quibbling over minor points of terminology should be left to people who care.

Personally, I don't care. I figure if a person points at a weapon and refers to the "open sights" on it, I'm reasonably certain he's not referring to the trigger guard.

So I make it a point to stay out of these types of conversations.

I can get onboard with the pet peeve angle, though. It's really been bugging me lately how otherwise decent restaurants are all switching to paper napkins. That really irks me. Seems like if I'm going to sit down at a table, look at a menu, place an order, and let a waitress bring me my food, the least they could do is bring me an honest-to-God cloth napkin with it. Paper napkins should be restricted to fast food joints.

 

[steveno]

having a bad hair day Jim? LOL. it isn't worth worrying over the small stuff

 

[50 Freak]

Two of my pet peeves.

Brake vs. Break (it's a Brake DAMNIT)
M1A vs. M14 (not all M14's are automatics and no, M1A does not mean civilian, and no M14s are not strictly military only)

 

[torpid]

I'll add one.

It's the Second Amendment.

Please throw your extra "m" on the pile, folks.
Thanks.



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[mrmeval]

grammer nazis, anal retentives, spammers, the clip vs magazine warriors, 9 vs 45, 223 vs 7.62, taxes...

 

[Preacherman]

mrmeval, it's "grammar" . . .

 

[bigun15]

M1A vs. M14 (not all M14's are automatics and no, M1A does not mean civilian, and no M14s are not strictly military only)

Not to hijack the thread, but please elaborate. After all, I am here to learn. Someone told me those points and I didn't know enough to prove it wrong. Formerly I believed all those.

 

[Car Knocker]

I have noticed that more and more of our members have defective keyboards that don't allow them to use capitalization and/or punctuation. Then there's the usual confusion between "bear arms" and "bare arms". I've also noted, lately, an increasing use of the word "bullet" in place of "cartridge".

 

[mustanger98]

50 Freak said:

M1A vs. M14 (not all M14's are automatics and no, M1A does not mean civilian, and no M14s are not strictly military only)

Not to hijack the thread, but please elaborate. After all, I am here to learn. Someone told me those points and I didn't know enough to prove it wrong. Formerly I believed all those.

bigun15, The real M14 was adopted in 1957 to replace the M1 Garand, okay? Now, some of those were select-fire (semi-auto/full-auto as opposed to being "automatic"). There have been several manufacturers that built semi-auto only M14's for civilian sale. Springfield Armory Inc. (no relation to the US gov't Springfield Armory) copyrighted the "M1A" as their trade name on the civilian market.

I hope this helps.

 

[ceetee]

I can get onboard with the pet peeve angle, though. It's really been bugging me lately how otherwise decent restaurants are all switching to paper napkins. That really irks me. Seems like if I'm going to sit down at a table, look at a menu, place an order, and let a waitress bring me my food, the least they could do is bring me an honest-to-God cloth napkin with it. Paper napkins should be restricted to fast food joints.

That reminds me of the story I heard a few decades ago... Seems this boy was invited to dinner at his rich friend's house. His mom made sure he knew all the finer points of etiquette so he wouldn't embarass himself in front of all those hoity-toity rich folks.

When he got back, she asked him how it went. "Mom," he said quietly. "You told me those folks had all kinds of money put away in banks and stuff, but it just can't be true... Why, they're so poor, they can't even afford store-bought napkins! They have to use these cut-up pieces of bed sheets..."

 

[bigun15]

Thank you mustanger, I appreciate it. The only part of that I had known before was that it replaced the M1 Garand

 

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[Hardtarget]

My Grandmother told me,"remember, when you point your finger at some one, there are three pointing back at you."
With that in mind...I make way too many mistkaes for me to be worrying about anyone else.
Mark.

 

[Jim Watson]

Hey, I'm not going to be able to go shooting until Friday, got to have something to do.

I P.P.-ed 'bullet' for 'cartridge' a while back.
It's not that the misuse itself bothers me so much as it is the more tactical than thou types lecturing about magazine vs clip and then loading whichever with "bullets" as I have seen done.

 

[old4x4]

Here's another one. Someone asks which pistol he should get
and has it narrowed down to gun A and gun B. There's always the clown who will recommend some other gun..gun C or D. Dumba$$! I hate that.

Thus endeth the sermon..

 

[Hoppy590]

magazine has a spring that pushes the next round into the chamber, a clip doesnt. a clip is just a pieve of metal that holds rounds. a clip hold ammo untill it can be loaded into a magazine ( normaly an internal magazine) haha sorry, i gotta throw that info out there incase some one who doesnt know is reading

I have noticed that more and more of our members have defective keyboards that don't allow them to use capitalization and/or punctuation. Then there's the usual confusion between "bear arms" and "bare arms". I've also noted, lately, an increasing use of the word "bullet" in place of "cartridge".

http://www.bustedtees.com/shirt/secondamendment
man i love that

"AmendmentI The right to free speech.
Amendment II The right to bear arms.
Amendment III The right to buy t-shirts that your 10th grade social studies teacher would find hilarious"

 

[Eleven Mike]

"Optical sight" - my pet peeve. All sights are optical, as they depend on the eye. "Glass sight" or "telescopic sight" make sense, as does the abbreviation "scope."

Quibbling over minor points of terminology should be left to people who care.

Quite right.

So I make it a point to stay out of these types of conversations.

Quite wrong. You jumped right in.

 

[Dr.Rob]

I don't like 'peep' sights, never have. Don't care if you call them 'open' or 'ghost ring' or 'tactical.'

Buckhorns or to be more correct semi-buckhorns are my fave to this day.. a fine brass bead front that you can use like a shotgun bead at close range and a notch rear is just fine thanks very much. That, to me is 'iron sights.'

 

[Hardware]

But Dr. Rob, if it's a brass front sight it can't possibly be "iron sights."

 

[CajunBass]

It is all too common usage these days that any sight not telescopic is "open."

i prefer the term "iron sights" as my understanding is this phrase includes peep sights, tang sight, post and notch sights, groove sights, and elevator sights.

Thats really no more accurate than "open sights" though.

Well then just what would you call them? I really can't
think of anything else.

 

[Fosbery]

Clip and magazine is my biggest one. Bullet and cartridge is another, a lot of people think 'bullet' means the entire cartridge. People calling a red dot sight a 'laser sight', or a scope. It also bothers me when people say 'pull the trigger'. You squeeze it! :banghead: