mjmcgrso
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Gentlemen; please do not take offense to the way I'm about to pose this query. I know that some of you will want to preemptively guide me towards the multitude of threads already containing this topic, or more accurately seemingly containing this topic. I am starting this because after having "googled" it and read a million to maybe a million and 3 forum threads on what I'm apparently asking, it inevitably spins out of control onto a debate over cocked and locked as it pertains to a 1911. That is NOT what I'm asking here.
Nor am I asking about whether anyone carries with one in the chamber, or safeties on or off. I am also looking to avoid the matter of whether or not you'd manually cock a hammer fired gun upon drawing or just fire in DA mode... none of which I'm interested in discussing. Those points are moot.
My query is very specific and I have not seen any other forum even touch on it.
It's whether or not it's considered a safe, or unsafe practice to CARRY a DA(sa) revolver, or likewise a NON 1911 STYLE hammer fired semi-auto with the hammer cocked and safety off.
A DA revolver cocked has no manual safety. It's ready to go with a breath on the trigger. That's why my contention is that would not be a safe way to carry a DA revolver because there's nothing preventing an unintentional discharge upon something inadvertently tapping that trigger. Likewise, a NON 1911 STYLE hammer fired DA/SA semi auto with a decocker safety lever should not be carried cocked, and safety off.... obviously if the safety was on on the models I'm specifically referring to, it would then be decocked by default, because it too could be set off with the slightest of unintentional taps of the trigger.
My fear is, that given the very nature of the specific types of guns that I'm trying me best to keep this discussion on course with here, if one were to carry them cocked, and say be on a firing range and as do so many of my students, be hunting around for their flapjack leather holster that's closed on them with their shirt tails overlapping and tucked into the holster, they're likely to tap that trigger and send a hot round straight down their calf into their feet.
I have done dry demonstrations with 3 of my guns (Springfield XD40, Taurus 65 and Bersa mini 40) where I show that no matter what you do with the XD, tapping the trigger without the palm safety depressed and the trigger completely pulled rearward, it will not fire. HOWEVER, upon cocking the revolver and the Bersa, a mere tap with a pencil eraser released them both...
One last point to address on that note: both the Bersa and revolver in fact have transfer bar type mechanisms requiring that the triggers not only be released, but held rearward for the duration of the firing cycle. Thats said, my contention still holds true if either were to be released by way of an object like a belt loop, pocket knife, ...whatever object may get forced against the trigger to not only release it, but keep it there long enough to facilitate the aforementioned hot round down the leg.
I realize my approach and presentation could be taken out of context and exploited for a flame job of major proportions, however, I'm truly only looking to engage in productive dialog that leads to safe handling and teaching techniques for students in the long term, not becoming an internet inferno. It's about the guns and people's lives, not how poorly I write an inquiry.
Thank you.
Nor am I asking about whether anyone carries with one in the chamber, or safeties on or off. I am also looking to avoid the matter of whether or not you'd manually cock a hammer fired gun upon drawing or just fire in DA mode... none of which I'm interested in discussing. Those points are moot.
My query is very specific and I have not seen any other forum even touch on it.
It's whether or not it's considered a safe, or unsafe practice to CARRY a DA(sa) revolver, or likewise a NON 1911 STYLE hammer fired semi-auto with the hammer cocked and safety off.
A DA revolver cocked has no manual safety. It's ready to go with a breath on the trigger. That's why my contention is that would not be a safe way to carry a DA revolver because there's nothing preventing an unintentional discharge upon something inadvertently tapping that trigger. Likewise, a NON 1911 STYLE hammer fired DA/SA semi auto with a decocker safety lever should not be carried cocked, and safety off.... obviously if the safety was on on the models I'm specifically referring to, it would then be decocked by default, because it too could be set off with the slightest of unintentional taps of the trigger.
My fear is, that given the very nature of the specific types of guns that I'm trying me best to keep this discussion on course with here, if one were to carry them cocked, and say be on a firing range and as do so many of my students, be hunting around for their flapjack leather holster that's closed on them with their shirt tails overlapping and tucked into the holster, they're likely to tap that trigger and send a hot round straight down their calf into their feet.
I have done dry demonstrations with 3 of my guns (Springfield XD40, Taurus 65 and Bersa mini 40) where I show that no matter what you do with the XD, tapping the trigger without the palm safety depressed and the trigger completely pulled rearward, it will not fire. HOWEVER, upon cocking the revolver and the Bersa, a mere tap with a pencil eraser released them both...
One last point to address on that note: both the Bersa and revolver in fact have transfer bar type mechanisms requiring that the triggers not only be released, but held rearward for the duration of the firing cycle. Thats said, my contention still holds true if either were to be released by way of an object like a belt loop, pocket knife, ...whatever object may get forced against the trigger to not only release it, but keep it there long enough to facilitate the aforementioned hot round down the leg.
I realize my approach and presentation could be taken out of context and exploited for a flame job of major proportions, however, I'm truly only looking to engage in productive dialog that leads to safe handling and teaching techniques for students in the long term, not becoming an internet inferno. It's about the guns and people's lives, not how poorly I write an inquiry.
Thank you.