NJ arrests another one....this time from Fla.
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What do you mean it's worked for you? Have you been arrested and gotten out with your story about what the guy at the state police said?
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I wouldn't rely on info I got from a phone call to a PD as the gospel.
In other words you don't know anything.
- You don't know if you had correct information. You only know that whatever you were doing didn't attract the attention of an LEO.
- You could have been committing all sorts of local gun crimes and just didn't get caught.
- And you have no idea whether having the name of the person you talked with would do you any good because you haven't had to put it to the test.[/quote]
Yeah, right? Because, strangely enough, we are faced with the paradoxical double standard of "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." Which applies to anyone charged
WITH a crime, but apparently DOESN'T apply to the police, courts, or judges.
"I call, they tell me their laws, ..."
Just FWIW, in my experience cops frequently make some pretty substantial errors when it comes to gun laws.
As long as I'm posting, I'll pontificate on the broader issue: Everyone gets that laws vary, and in general when we get a ticket in another state because the date to remove studs is different, or having something dangling from the mirror is legal in our home state, or whatever, we just grumble and pay the ticket; most people don't expect a perfect world and understand there will be local differences.
What's different with gun laws isn't the principle, it's the penalties. If NJ required signaling 100 ft before a turn while PA only required 50 ft, we'd all be OK with the occasional PA soccer mom getting a ticket for signaling 75 ft before a turn. If NJ was sending PA soccer moms to prison for signaling 25 ft too late, I think everyone would be squawking.
I'd go further, I think: as a matter of morality, I object to long prison terms for malum prohibitum crimes in general. Sticking people in cages ought to require that they actually harmed someone, not that they unwittingly broke a law where no person was harmed.
To be clear, that's not the state of the law today.
Just FWIW, in my experience cops frequently make some pretty substantial errors when it comes to gun laws.
As long as I'm posting, I'll pontificate on the broader issue: Everyone gets that laws vary, and in general when we get a ticket in another state because the date to remove studs is different, or having something dangling from the mirror is legal in our home state, or whatever, we just grumble and pay the ticket; most people don't expect a perfect world and understand there will be local differences.
What's different with gun laws isn't the principle, it's the penalties. If NJ required signaling 100 ft before a turn while PA only required 50 ft, we'd all be OK with the occasional PA soccer mom getting a ticket for signaling 75 ft before a turn. If NJ was sending PA soccer moms to prison for signaling 25 ft too late, I think everyone would be squawking.
I'd go further, I think: as a matter of morality, I object to long prison terms for malum prohibitum crimes in general. Sticking people in cages ought to require that they actually harmed someone, not that they unwittingly broke a law where no person was harmed.
To be clear, that's not the state of the law today.
What nonsense. Context is everything.
- Each of us has a duty to conform our conduct to legal requirements, and our failures to do so won't be excused because we claim we didn't know what those requirements are.
- On the other hand, the police, courts, and judges don't necessarily have a duty to inform us what legal requirements apply to our conduct. They have different jobs.
- If you want someone to be responsible for educating you about the law that applies to the things you do, hire a lawyer.
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So, how many states did she pass thru breaking the law????? Probably most of them depending on reciprocity with Florida. I feel bad for her, but you can't just drive around the country with a loaded firearm in your vehicle.
If she got in an accident and car had to be towed, she goes to hospital, police would still find the gun in all likely hood.
If she got in an accident and car had to be towed, she goes to hospital, police would still find the gun in all likely hood.
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er, actually you can in many States, especially in here in middle America.
There is a huge disconnect between West and Northeastern States and the majority of other States.
Guitarmike
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With all do respect the second ammendment is a right, not a priviledge. NJ and it`s laws are a violation of our rights. The feds should get involved when our rights are trampled by any state or local government.
Trunk Monkey
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Well then, the New York reload is your solution.
Or just carrying a Glock 19 and two reloads. Given I've been carrying since 1995 and not shot round one at anyone in that time I think that oughta do.
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You have NO IDEA if it's "worked for you" unless you've been arrested and told them that Bubba over at the State Police said it was OK and they called him and let you go on his word.
At best you've just been lucky
Nope, that's not the way to do it either. Use the reliable resources available:
- The NRA-ILA site has summary information on each State's gun laws.
- Some state Attorney General or State Police websites have summaries of the laws, and sometimes links to the statutes. A website is better than a telephone call because the information is preserved in written form and the information has been published for the purpose of educating the public.
- There are some useful books out there like the 2017 Traveler's Guide for the Firearm Laws of the Fifty States or various state specific books like Florida Firearms Law, Use and Ownership 2017 Ninth Edition or California Gun Laws: A Guide to State and Federal Firearm Regulations, Fifth Edition.
- Various state RKBA advocacy groups might have websites with links to state specific information.
- Some lawyers who practice firearms law have information materials on their websites.
- Handgunlaw.us is a good resource as well.
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The subject of this thread got pulled over because her windows were legal in Florida or overly tinted in New Jersey. (think calling the state police would have revealed that bit of information to you?)
While the cop was talking to her she opened her wallet to get her driver's license and registration and he saw her concealed handgun permit and either searched or simply asked if she had a weapon.
Now I will grant you but had you can simply call the New Jersey State Police a probably would have told you if you can't carrry a gun in our state period BUT calling the state police never would have stopped you from what started out as a minor traffic stop for this woman.
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How about this, call this number 609-882-2000 and ask them what laws you should know about in their State about traveling into or through it, with a pistol.
If they tell you it’s OK to have a loaded gun in your purse, if you have a FL permit, I’ll eat my hat.
If she had done that she might have received a ticket, instead she was arrested.
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Other than District of Columbia v. Heller in 2008 and McDonald v. Chicago in 2010 the Supreme Court has refused to hear any more gun cases. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is of considerable debate.
The Supreme Court is pretty evenly split between Conservatives and Liberals with Justice Kennedy generally considered to be the swing vote. With Liberal Justices Ginsburg being 85 years old and Breyer being 80 and with President Trump being very Pro-2A I join with the group that believes we should wait until a Liberal Justice retires (or dies) and is replaced with a Conservative before the Court hears another case.
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jmorris: "NJ State Police? Hi, I will be driving through your state next week, and just wanted you to answer a couple of questions, OK? Here goes? What are your requirements for window tinting? Are you OK with my state only issuing a rear license plate? I have studded tires, until what date can I use them? Is it Ok for me to have a pillow where I have removed the manufacturer's tags? Do I have to have my prescription medicines in the original containers, or is it OK if I have a note from my doctor? I am an EMT in my home state, do you have a 'good samaritan' law? Is it OK if I.........."
Yeah, right.
Yeah, right.
Trunk Monkey
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In no sense of the word am I debating the wisdom of checking the laws before you leave your state with a gun. Please see my post #13. I'm merely question the validity of your source
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This poor woman. The spot she was pulled over is probably only half a mile from the Pennsylvania border. If this had happened 6 months ago she would have a good shot at being pardoned by Gov. Christie. Gov. Murphy will have no sympathy for her.
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I don't feel any pity when I read stories like this. We have the internet. There are half dozen sites I could Google or know from memory that will tell you if X permit is honored in Y state. Ignorance of the law is not a defense. I travel to Florida from Alabama about 4 times a year to visit my mother-in-law. And before I leave, every single time, I check 3 or 4 websites for the reciprocity agreement between the two. I don't even have to look up if my permit is valid in New Jersey where my best friend lives or New York where my family lives. Because I already know it isn't. The patchwork of gun rights is broken as all hell, and it is our job to know where the good patches are.
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I doubt if you getting bad info from a phone call would be newsworthy.
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