Concealed Carry - Friend's House

buck460XVR said:

There's a lot to be said about respect. Far too many want to be given respect, but don't feel any obligation to return it. A common saying is "respect is earned, not given". It's a two way street. I have friends who smoke. They know when they come to my house they cannot smoke inside. The still come, and they don't smoke inside. I have friends that...

I know better than to cuss in my Mama's house,
So more than not I just shut my mouth.

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My situation that I mentioned is a little different than your examples. If someone asks me not to smoke in their house it means that they think it stinks. If someone asks that I not have a gun in their house it means that they don’t trust me, and that they don’t trust me enough that they brought it up. My situation is also definitely NOT a respect issue. I indicated that I would not go into my in-laws’ house, not necessarily that I would cut off personal relationships (although I didn’t mention that specifically, so it did sound like that).

sign216 said:

If leaving in the car isn't safe, I give it to the homeowner I'm visiting, to hold for me.

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Don’t do this. The safest place for the gun is on your person, in a secure holster, concealed. Taking it out and manipulating it and giving it to someone else increases EVERYONE’S risk of trouble.

Riomouse911 said:

Oh, this is exactly why I don’t leave a gun in a vehicle unless it’s in a safe box securely attached to the vehicle… and even then I don’t like doing that.

This mope broke into my neighbors Hummer on Tuesday at 10 pm. They were at home and their hilltop lot is 4 acres, with a gated driveway that’s 150 feet past the end of our cul de sac. Didn’t stop this parolee looking arse one bit, he was in and out in under a minute.

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The. Minute my security system showed him breeching. My gate/driveway i would be greeting him with the 44 mag long before he got anywhere near my house or Vehicle

If you can’t be trusted with a gun in my house? You aren’t aloud in my house. I’m real funny about people anyway. I only want to be around people I will fight alongside. I prefer to pray. But it can go either way. My son in law or daughter better be able to stand up as we do. Otherwise you don’t fit around here.

The question is "what does Massachusetts law have to say on the matter".

In South Carolina I cannot carry concealed in someone else's home without their permission, even with a permit to carry concealed.

I couldn't find such a requirement for your state, but I admit I didn't look too long.

My OPINION (which will get you a cup of coffee at McDonald's if you add a dollar to it) is that if Massachusetts law has no prohibitions on concealed carry in someone else's house, then carry to your heart's content.

IF, however, you have personal beliefs/opinions to the contrary on the matter, then don't.

HOWEVER...don't surprise your host with a request that they take possession of your weapon for "safe keeping" or whatever you want to call it. That is definitely something that should be arranged ahead of time for a variety of reasons, legal and personal. If they're uncomfortable with you carrying a firearm in their home, you shouldn't be bringing and presenting it to them in the first place.

If you're carrying concealed in a proper holster, and you are within the law in doing so in this circumstance, then I don't see what the concern is. As long as you keep it holstered it doesn't get much safer. And it's under your direct possession and control, so nobody else should be messing with it.

Kleanbore said:

You would threaten with deadly force in defense of personal property?

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That was my first thought when I read his post the first time. Actually, it was more of a “AAAHHH! Don’t do that!!!” thought that I had. However... a thought, maybe even a question. If you see someone trespassing, before they get to breaking into my truck or house, do I go visit them? During the night, I’m not leaving my house. During the day, odds are I’m outside with an ATV and a chainsaw (and a firearm). At what point is it okay to confront a trespasser?

Leave it in the car where it'll be safe.......um, not so much. Hardly ever. Give it to a second party, because, um, some kind of reason? Most unusual circumstance which I have not seen yet. The people I visit know full well I have Fire Magick upon my person. Some of them are even interested.

It would be a non-issue with both of my son-in-laws, I would trust them 100% with a firearm, both they and my daughters are gun people. I do, however, know some other kin-people that IMO have no business with a firearm, and if I was aware they were in my house and armed they could either store the firearm in their vehicle or leave, their choice.

sign216 said:

Thoughts on concealed carry into a friend's house.

Situation: Wife and I were having a dinner for step daughter, son in law, my son, and baby. I find out my son-in-law is carrying, under his shirt. I didn't say anything, but when I go to a friend's house, I always leave my gun in the car. If leaving in the car isn't safe, I give it to the homeowner I'm visiting, to hold for me.

What are the thoughts on this?

Joe

P.S. I'm in Massachusetts, a very gun un-friendly state (if that matters).

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I can't really tell what your doing here..... your pro gun but only if someone says it's ok. Rather Fuddish of you, I have carried a pistol since I was 13 and frankly never gave anythought to carrying in a residence not my own. As long as I am not brandishing said weapon how in the world would you know.

When my dad died in 2018 my best range buddy in the world met me in the parking lot and asked if I had a gun to which I opened my tux jacket to reveal a kimber 1911 gov and extra mags on a range instructer style belt. The awkward part was he opened his jacket and revealed the same set up, we should have corroded our attire lol.

My right does not end where your door begins, we can be acquaintances and I won't visit you.

This question reminds me of a group of Mormons I worked with in 2018 and they were discussing the insanity of people carrying guns in their tabernacle and how it upset them so......... some people will never accept the real world facts bad things i.e. VIOLENT MURDER can and will come to houses of worship, personal homes, schools, restaurants, truck stops, gas stations, super centers, malls, sport events, etc.

A home owner can not protect you, only you can and the novel concept of surrendering a weapon to your host is a delusional submission.

I did ask a friend to unload his Hi-Standard derringer (which I'd sold him not long before) when he came over, due to SWMBO's apprehension over him carrying. This guy had a habit of being argumentative over stupid stuff at times, and proved to be in rare form that evening. I had to ask him to leave, and SWMBO called 911. (He slammed his beer down on the stove, and yelled, "You can't tell me what to do!" and stormed out to his truck and tore off, squealing the tires.) He somehow made it home alive, and the next day I made him apologize to her.
He has since quit drinking, and now I would be fine with him carrying in my house.

I am an old bugger and very old school. Whenever anyone I knew entered someone’s house they took off their hat and disarmed. If there were wood floors we took our boots off.
It is just basic courtesy and respect.

The only place I don’t carry is federal buildings. If a friend or anyone else doesn’t want me to carry at their house, they need to tell me first and I won’t go, or I’ll leave when told I shouldn’t have it. If you feel my concealed gun, you’re too close to me and I don’t appreciate that. Otherwise no one should ever know you’re carrying anyways.

I’ll never feel my choice to carry is offensive to anyone except someone who wishes to do me harm.

I don’t have many friends, but the few I do have would assume I’m carrying when I walk in there house.

The only people I would have a problem with carrying in my house probably want be invited in.

sign216 said:

Thoughts on concealed carry into a friend's house.

Situation: Wife and I were having a dinner for step daughter, son in law, my son, and baby. I find out my son-in-law is carrying, under his shirt. I didn't say anything, but when I go to a friend's house, I always leave my gun in the car. If leaving in the car isn't safe, I give it to the homeowner I'm visiting, to hold for me.

What are the thoughts on this?

Joe

P.S. I'm in Massachusetts, a very gun un-friendly state (if that matters).

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I do think this is a very good and thought provoking post. Personally, I wouldn't CCW into the home of someone I didn't know very well. It strikes me as rude to do so without permission. However, I always CCW into the home of my close friends and family members, and they do in mine. If for whatever reason they weren't comfortable with me being armed I wouldn't enter their home armed (of course, the odds are low that I'd return, and it would be a very unlikely scenario to begin with). To me this is just basic manners. But I also wouldn't allow anyone that I don't know well to enter my home armed either. For the most part there are few people I'd invite in though that I'd hesitate to allow in armed.

If a family member or close friend that was visiting my home was to ask me to hold onto their firearm for them I would. Let's hypothetically say they were having Thanksgiving dinner at my place, and after several plates of food found their CCW to be getting uncomfortable to wear. In that situation I wouldn't think of twice of setting it on a shelf or otherwise storing it for them. I can think of few if any situations when I would ever ask anyone to keep mine for me though. If I wore it in, I'm going to wear it and/or keep it under my control while I'm there.

My mom and my sister came to visit me this summer, and although I know both have CCW permits neither was armed. I gave them both a mild scolding! They really should know better.

If I had a good friend that didn't want me to carry in their home , I wouldn't... but I don't have any friends like that.
I also don't mention that I carry unless I'm asked, to which I often respond "yeah, and my pocketknife, billfold, and flashlight.....just like every other day.

It depends on the situation for me. When I go to see my Grand Kids I leave it in the truck only because I will be playing with them. Anywhere else it stays on my hip and I don't say a word and no one knows. Having said that most people I go visit know that I have carried for years and that will never change. If anyone ever has a problem with it, and that is their right by all means, it would be the last time I visit them.

I would never give my gun to another person to hold for me while I visited them. What’s the point to it. They certainly know you have a gun with you. I would not leave my gun in my car unless I had no alternative. Anyone I know more than casually knows that I carry and gun and why I do so. If anyone cannot accept that, then I won’t go to their house. I believe that carrying a gun is the best thing I can do be prepared for violence so I carry all the time, even in my house. At bedtime the gun is on the nightstand. Keep in mind that you can encounter violence in another person’s home. Home invaders go where they please.

It never occurred to me to announce that that I was carrying when entering someone's home. No home owner has ever asked either. I can't imagine why it would ever be an issue.
There are a bunch of other personal things I don't announce upon entry either, political affiliation, religion, vaccination status, personal income, medical history...................

When we visit my BIL/SIL, both whom are physically disabled to a degree, are liberals and BIL who is somewhat anti gun along w/ nephew who is a liberal and is an odd young man, I conceal carry in their home and do not tell them. If trouble happens (home invasion) I know they would be of no help and I'll be darned if I am going to be helpless. If they ever found out I was carrying and made an issue about it I would stop visiting them plain and simple. When I am there and can't be in immediate possession of my weapon such as when I am taking a shower I put a cable type gun lock on my carry piece and bury it in my luggage. When we venture into the city such as for going out for dinner or fancy coffee (BIL never comes with) I of course am strapped; my SIL one time asked if I was carrying and I told her I was and a look of relief came over her face so I suspect she has a good idea I likely carry in their home. I don't consume alcohol or other drugs and have been around guns all my life so I think she trusts me to be safe. So basically wherever I am and whom ever I am with has a problem with me carrying I don't go there or associate with them.

sign216 said:

Thoughts on concealed carry into a friend's house.

Situation: Wife and I were having a dinner for step daughter, son in law, my son, and baby. I find out my son-in-law is carrying, under his shirt. I didn't say anything, but when I go to a friend's house, I always leave my gun in the car. If leaving in the car isn't safe, I give it to the homeowner I'm visiting, to hold for me.

What are the thoughts on this?

Joe

P.S. I'm in Massachusetts, a very gun un-friendly state (if that matters).

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I would suggest to my SIL that he do a better job concealing his firearm.

This can be an issue of legality, of personal conviction and tradition.

Like many others, I do not go where I cannot carry a sidearm. This does exclude the County Courthouse, as thrice a year I must do business (car registration and property taxes) there. My underlying principle for those carrying arms into my house is: Those who I invite or allow into my house are those I already trust to do so.

I wouldn't know. Nobody I associate with has a problem with me carrying a gun. I see absolutely no point in disarming at any time, with rare circumstances- such as, to be compliant with an actual law, or in a situation like partying on New Year and drinking alcohol. Police officers are authorized to carry their guns pretty much everywhere, with few exceptions (some courtrooms and such) and no one has a problem with it. And if they do, its their problem. This isn't a bash on the police, but what gives them a pass, while trust and confidence isn't there for the citizens they serve?