Looks like there may soon be more Constitutional carry states

Poper said:

An article from Breitbart: https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amend...onal-carry-on-the-move-in-al-ga-fl-ne-and-oh/

Wow! AL, GA, FL, NE & OH!
If all go Constitutional Carry, then we would have more than half of the states in the union with Constitutional Carry! Is America great or what?
Maybe things are looking up afterall?
Is it possible the lunacy of the summer of Loot, Burn and Murder has people re-thinking their need for self defense? When you demonize those that are in public service to enforce the laws and then advocate "defunding" them or reinventing law enforcement and policing, I believe it makes the average person check his hole card. Last summer proved to most of us that nobody cares about you and your family like YOU do.

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I have never expected anyone to protect my family.....ever. God bless the police, but they cannot protect my family. My better half and I are former military, and we can handle that duty ourselves...and have for the last 40 yrs. Police can investigate and arrest, and that’s great. In my humble opinion, our great constitution has always given my family the right to carry a weapon if we deem it necessary. I have always lived in rural areas, have carried a weapon when I thought it necessary, and have never been arrested for it.....even prior to the concealed carry nonsense was invoked. Some of the people that I know of who have CC permits scare me. Many, I’m convinced, would either shoot themselves or some innocent if a situation ever developed. The constitutional carry “right” being espoused these days is (IMHO) not likely going to prevent Americans from being persecuted and/or prosecuted when forced to defend themselves.....I reserve the right to revise and extend my $.02.....

I'd love to see that happen in FL, but I won't get my hopes up. For years now there has been resistance to this from both Democrats and establishment type Republicans that nothing ever advances.

A couple years back several of those Republicans took sizeable amounts of Bloomberg anti gun money.

I am not too confident Alabama will pass Constitutional carry. A lot of money used by the county sheriffs comes from the pistol permits, so some of them are very vocal about losing that source of income.

Tell you where it won't be. IL. Probably not even if it becomes the law of the land.

herrwalther said:

I am not too confident Alabama will pass Constitutional carry. A lot of money used by the county sheriffs comes from the pistol permits, so some of them are very vocal about losing that source of income.

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Alabama will take the SC route. In SC, while we didn't go full-blown Constitutional Carry, we did go permit holder open carry and no more "printing" violations plus it is now free to apply-for the permit. Used to have to include a $50 money order ... now it's free. We still require "qualification" training which, me personally, after teaching and training for so many years ... I am in full agreement-with. I've simply had too many people come through my classes who should not be carrying no matter how much we tried. And we have castle doctrine and peaceable journey here so you do not have to have a permit to have a firearm in your home or your car. It's very smart and sensible given the ... well, in The South we have certain things we must take into consideration. We absolutely must not allow violent felons the right to carry imho. Nor should we allow dimwitted irresponsible people to carry.

It will be interesting to see how those states turn out. I am from PA where there is no Constitutional Carry. Currently a bill is going to introduced to allow it. It might pass with our Republican legislative majority. If it does our Dem governor will veto it, and there will be too few votes to override the veto. Maybe a Republican will win the our gubernatorial race in November. If not, it will likely be 4 to 8 years until it could be passed. Being almost 80 I am nit sure I will live to see it happen. I hope,it happens soon.

It's a point of view thing.

A law that gives you access to a right that you should have already had..........is still an Orwellinan nightmare. It's sad that previous generations of Americans were so weak to allow this to happen.

Ohio's governor hasn't signed it yet, because he's a weak coward unfit for leadership. But it has passed the house and senate. In a state where tons of people have been ''constitutional carrying'' for ages now.

PapaG said:

Tell you where it won't be. IL. Probably not even if it becomes the law of the land.

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Nope! Not as long as the millions of useless citizens of Chicago continue voting for their cradle-to-grave handouts.
I lived in the un-represented (outside of Chicago) part of ILL-inois but moved to a Constitutional-Carry free state upon retirement. Any non-resident who happens to be in Illinois and has to use a firearm for self defense would be arrested, and could end up in prison. That alone should be a deterrent for any travelers to even step foot in that state.

Zerodefect said:

Ohio's governor hasn't signed it yet, because he's a weak coward unfit for leadership. But it has passed the house and senate.

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They didn't pass the same bill. The house passed HB 227 and the senate passed SB 215. Either the senate has to pass HB 227 or the house has to pass SB 215 before anything lands on Gov. Dewine's desk.

Based on the Ohio GOPs propensity to pass gun bills during the lame duck session in the final weeks of the legislative session, there's a good chance DeWine will veto the bill and the General Assembly will not have time to reconvene for a veto override.

It’s crazy here in Texas. Constitutional carry passed and there is no difference in daily life. It’s like everyone forgot we were supposed to revert back to Wild West gun slingers overnight. I guess the scare campaigns failed on this one. But with the latest cold bug going around.......... half the population is oxygen deprived with tight fitting diapers as they attempt to drive, alone in their cars.

Hartkopf said:

I guess the scare campaigns failed on this one.

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No, I still hear people use the argument against it, despite any evidence.

Facts are unimportant and can be cast aside if they don’t follow the narrative. Lesson learned in Liberal 101 class.

Georgia is considering it, and it may well pass. But I certainly hope they keep the option of having a permit, I'll keep mine. While I may no longer need a permit to carry concealed here in GA, the permit allows me to carry in other states that I visit. Having the carry permit here in GA also allows me to skip the background check when buying a firearm.

Many of my LE friends never got a carry permit since their LE status allows them to carry virtually anywhere, in all 50 states. But they have to go through the hassle of a background check when buying a gun. It is worth the small fee every 5 years to me if nothing other than skipping the background check.

jmr40 said:

Georgia is considering it, and it may well pass. But I certainly hope they keep the option of having a permit,

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I hope so too. That’s the way it’s been here in Idaho since “constitution carry” became the law back in 2016. In fact, Idaho has two versions of CCW licenses - both “Standard” and “Enhanced” versions. The “Enhanced” version requires an 8-hour class and actually firing a gun, but it has reciprocity with a few more states than the “Standard” version, and it provides for legal concealed carry on Idaho’s college and university campuses.

My wife and I already had the “Standard” versions when “constitutional carry” became the law here. Having them made buying guns from FFLs more convenient because as you say, it eliminated the need for the phone-in background check.

So my wife and I just hung on to our Idaho “Standard” CCW licenses until they expired. Then we went ahead and took the class in order to get the “Enhanced” versions. We don’t do a heck of a lot of traveling anymore (and even Idaho “Enhanced” CCW licenses aren’t good in California anyway) but we both still have ties with Idaho State University and end up on campus there every once in a while.

herrwalther said:

I am not too confident Alabama will pass Constitutional carry. A lot of money used by the county sheriffs comes from the pistol permits, so some of them are very vocal about losing that source of income.

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Likely true, it’s been introduced something like the last 5 or 6 years, it does seem like it gets a little closer every year. I expect it to still be a few years off, like you say, because of Alabama’s largest gun control group…..the Sheriffs Association.

Zerodefect said:

It's a point of view thing.

A law that gives you access to a right that you should have already had..........is still an Orwellinan nightmare. It's sad that previous generations of Americans were so weak to allow this to happen.

Ohio's governor hasn't signed it yet, because he's a weak coward unfit for leadership. But it has passed the house and senate. In a state where tons of people have been ''constitutional carrying'' for ages now.

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The bill is in reconciliation and it isn't DeWine that's pushing back, it's state law enforcement. DeWine understands the political forces that he's up against and that there will be political consequences either way. I'll happily vote for him in 2022 since he signed off on stand your ground last year but if he were to veto this bill, well, he'll lose me. I think he's earned reelection but that would be a deal breaker for me.

rtroha said:

They didn't pass the same bill. The house passed HB 227 and the senate passed SB 215. Either the senate has to pass HB 227 or the house has to pass SB 215 before anything lands on Gov. Dewine's desk.

Based on the Ohio GOPs propensity to pass gun bills during the lame duck session in the final weeks of the legislative session, there's a good chance DeWine will veto the bill and the General Assembly will not have time to reconvene for a veto override.

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And that will keep me home on election day. I'm not so in love with the republican party that I'll tolerate something like that. I vote for them because they support the 2A. If they stop doing that, I stop supporting them. period.

jmr40 said:

Many of my LE friends never got a carry permit since their LE status allows them to carry virtually anywhere, in all 50 states. But they have to go through the hassle of a background check when buying a gun. It is worth the small fee every 5 years to me if nothing other than skipping the background check.

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Some states, like mine, offer the permits gratis to former LE, so I got one. Might not have otherwise.

redcon1 said:

The bill is in reconciliation and it isn't DeWine that's pushing back, it's state law enforcement. DeWine understands the political forces that he's up against and that there will be political consequences either way. I'll happily vote for him in 2022 since he signed off on stand your ground last year but if he were to veto this bill, well, he'll lose me. I think he's earned reelection but that would be a deal breaker for me.

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He has to pass this or he's gone.

He's a failure. He overreacted to Covid and has failed nearly every political test put in front of him.

If there is some fine print BS preventing congress from getting the bill onto his desk, then I'll stay home and not vote for them either.

Should have fought harder for my vote. Well, Bye.

Good...but while I like this, like all other things "good" that governments propose to do, I'll believe it when I see it.

SC finally got open carry...and they screwed THAT up, too. All open carry required was a few changes to the existing statutes to allow it and remove any penalties.

But nooooooooo...they couldn't stop there. When they changed the signage requirements, they eliminated the original posting requirements which specified precisely what the signs had to say, down to the symbol and text size, and how it was to be posted. It went from very clearly worded requirements, which were unenforceable if they weren't met, to vaguely worded requirements which is akin to "meh...post some kinda sign if you want, whatever dude". SC now allows local governments to set more firearm restrictions, and not just on concealable handguns.

They also added a reporting requirement. Yes, South Carolina went on record saying this new open carry law was a punch in the face to the federal government which makes SC a 2A sanctuary state...while also passing to SC SLED to report virtually everything related to firearms to the federal government, thereby allowing the federal government to prohibit MORE people from owning/carrying firearms.

To be sure, there IS good in this. But there is ALSO bad.

Because this is what happens when a bunch of politicians dig their fingers into the legislative process and start writing laws.

The lesson here is to be vigilant EVEN WHEN IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GETTING A GOOD DEAL.

Because likely there are some teeth in there somewhere, waiting to bite.

Concealed permits are no longer required in AZ for concealed carry. But by having mine, it allows me to carry in places that serve alcohol, even though I seldom frequent places like that. Well except for maybe Chili's for a good burger now and then.

Poper said:

If all go Constitutional Carry, then we would have more than half of the states in the union with Constitutional Carry

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In my world words mean things. So by saying Constitutional Carry are you saying there are zero restrictions on anyone carrying a firearm? If that's not what you are saying then you must be referring to Permitless Carry.

We have permitless carry in Texas, but I renewed my LTC for the convenience of skipping the NICS rigmarole when doing an FFL transfer.