Looks like there may soon be more Constitutional carry states

Poper said:

Or extremely frightened.

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That doesn't bother me. I've had to live under nervous waiting and fright because of their nonsense.

SwampWolf said:

I agree completely but with one exception: In my experience, there is way too much unexpected and unpredictable raw emotion inherent in courtroom environs, be it domestic custody cases or charges of murder. Not a place nor a reason for a litigant, spectator or family member infused with rage or revenge to be armed. Just asking for trouble for no good reason.

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I could see more leeway on the nitty-gritty when it comes to courtrooms. Yeah, no reason a person on trial should be armed to contest the verdict.

DeepSouth said:

I remember watching TV once and seeing Gov. Fob James pull out what appeared to be a J-frame out of a desk drawer. He just sat it on his desk, found the paper he wanted underneath then put it back and closed the drawer. So casual and passive it was like he was just using it for a paperweight.





I fully believe when they (the Sheriffs association) teamed up with Moms Demand Action the same politicians who support law enforcement didn’t want to be associated with a straight up gun control group.
If the Sheriffs association hadn’t joined up with them, I don’t believe it would have passed at all. They destroyed what little credibility they had and revealed they are, among other things, a gun control group and a anti gun politician want last long in AL, out of the Birmingham areaway.

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How big is the sheriff's association? Either way if I was running a hard R state and the sheriff's pulled a fast one like that I'd begin a good old fashion political purge using whatever options were on the table. Start handing out pink slips and let the high way patrol take over until the problem was sorted out .

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CherokeeGunslinger said: ↑
My feelings summed up.

I'm also in favor of Ohio creating an enhanced CHL, or rather a CDW, that allows you to do three things.
1. Carry any deadly weapon concealed.
2. Carry in or on any place that a law enforcement officer can carry, such as schools and courthouses, provided that weapons remain concealed and undeclared to non-LEOs.
3. Have long guns with loaded mags inserted in motor vehicles.
I agree completely but with one exception: In my experience, there is way too much unexpected and unpredictable raw emotion inherent in courtroom environs, be it domestic custody cases or charges of murder. Not a place nor a reason for a litigant, spectator or family member infused with rage or revenge to be armed. Just asking for trouble for no good reason.

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I guess the easiest, an enhanced CHL would allow any item carry regardless of platform , unless there's a metal detector. Too easy?

I'm wondering if all, any or some "Constitutional Carry" states make it legal for visiting law-abiding citizens from other states to have the same right to carry (without having a permit or license) as their residents do. For instance, a good, law-abiding friend who lives in New York state asked me if he can now carry concealed in Ohio without further ado. A somewhat cursory look at Ohio's Senate Bill 215 doesn't seem to address the issue. In the case of Ohio, does anyone know for sure?

SwampWolf said:

I'm wondering if all, any or some "Constitutional Carry" states make it legal for visiting law-abiding citizens from other states to have the same right to carry (without having a permit or license) as their residents do. For instance, a good, law-abiding friend who lives in New York state asked me if he can now carry concealed in Ohio without further ado. A somewhat cursory look at Ohio's Senate Bill 215 doesn't seem to address the issue. In the case of Ohio, does anyone know for sure?

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Don't know about Ohio, but Idaho (rhymes with "Ohio") extents its so called "Constitutional Carry" to out of state residents.
Constitutional Carry in Idaho Now for ALL Americans! – GregPruett.com

.308 Norma said:

Don't know about Ohio, but Idaho (rhymes with "Ohio")

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Potatoes and buckeyes are part of the basic food group too! We have so much in common.

SwampWolf said:

I'm wondering if all, any or some "Constitutional Carry" states make it legal for visiting law-abiding citizens from other states to have the same right to carry (without having a permit or license) as their residents do

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AFAIK only North Dakota specifically restricts permitless carry to residents.

Only one state out of 24

Ohio has had licensed concealed carry since 2004. A major grocery chain called Meijers has just now started posting "no guns" signs in their stores. Makes me wonder if it is because constitutional carry has just been passed.

rtroha said:

Ohio has had licensed concealed carry since 2004. A major grocery chain called Meijers has just now started posting "no guns" signs in their stores. Makes me wonder if it is because constitutional carry has just been passed.

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when AL passed open carry several years back “no guns” signs went up all over the place. More than one store owner told me it was for insurance, no idea if it was true, but almost all of those “no guns” signs have come down since then.

ETA: This is just my observation, in my area. It could be different in other parts of the state

DeepSouth said:

when AL passed open carry several years back “no guns” signs went up all over the place. More than one store owner told me it was for insurance, no idea if it was true, but almost all of those “no guns” signs have come down since then.

ETA: This is just my observation, in my area. It could be different in other parts of the state

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I think I’ve seen three people OC in Baldwin county where I live over the last five years.

I lived in Montgomery for 4 years and did not see anyone open carry, and the county sheriff handed out no open carry signs like the were candy, and he "recommended" businesses put them up. I am glad they are finally going to join the future of constitutional carry, and not require a permit for car carry.

valnar said:

I'm in Ohio and have somewhat mixed feelings. While I am happy that Constitutional carry is now the law, I did learn a lot from the 12 hour class I had to take several years ago (not shooting, but the legalities). I would hope those that carry are familiar with the laws, but now there is no guarantee.

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As someone who was a CHL instructor in Ohio, I'm not convinced the classes actually make any significant difference. Most people who take them, forget the info shortly after leaving, unless they stay interested and do the reading on their own. The vast majority of gun owners have only a very hazy understanding of gun and self defense laws and that includes (in my opinion and experience), folks who have taken a state required CHL class.

A lot of the "classes" I've been to were mainly pro-forma box tickers to get someone a CCW or guard cards or the like... not only were they not particularly informative, but a lot of them were, sadly, unengaging and boring. The one exception is a local guy who takes firearm ownership, constitutional rights (not just 2A, but all of them) and self defense quite seriously... he went through some health issues recently so has curtailed his schedule WAY back (to the detriment of people looking to get their CCW) but he was probably the only one who taught a full defensive curriculum on firearm ownership, your rights and responsibilities, self defense techniques, and an Extensive set of sessions on the range before he would "pass" you... His refreshers were true gems, and made me realize just how poor most of these "classes" were...

I taught hunters safety for a short while, and at first was glad to find instructors who took it as seriously as I did... a couple seasons on, our 2 lead instructors retired and they replaced them with "box tickers" that were more interested in signing certs than actually teaching... I tried to bring back some of the phizazz we had early on and was soundly reprimanded by the new guys because I was "too involved" and giving out "too much information"... the last straw was when I was told, because I was following the example of those I'd taught with before, I was giving the students too much info, we were there solely to pass students.

I figured it was my responsibility to give the students information they could use - not just the box-tickers but things like first aid, emergency survival, map reading... because when you're out on the ridge, you never know what may happen.

Poper said:

Or extremely frightened.

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In Alabama, the county Sheriffs opposed to CC didn't help this. They did a lot of press releases saying there would be dead cops and citizens all over. Crime would go up etc. If crime does go up in Alabama it would be a statistical anomaly. In every state I have looked at, slowly passing CC over the last 15 or so years, violent crime rates have always gone down.

bearcreek said:

As someone who was a CHL instructor in Ohio, I'm not convinced the classes actually make any significant difference. Most people who take them, forget the info shortly after leaving, unless they stay interested and do the reading on their own. The vast majority of gun owners have only a very hazy understanding of gun and self defense laws and that includes (in my opinion and experience), folks who have taken a state required CHL class.

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When I took mine in TX I studied the laws before I took it and I constantly stay updated. When I travel out of state I read up on the laws of the states I will be going through. I take owning guns seriously.

herrwalther said:

In Alabama, the county Sheriffs opposed to CC didn't help this. They did a lot of press releases saying there would be dead cops and citizens all over. Crime would go up etc. If crime does go up in Alabama it would be a statistical anomaly. In every state I have looked at, slowly passing CC over the last 15 or so years, violent crime rates have always gone down.

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And most people don't even know it passed

herrwalther said:

In Alabama, the county Sheriffs opposed to CC didn't help this. They did a lot of press releases saying there would be dead cops and citizens all over. Crime would go up etc. If crime does go up in Alabama it would be a statistical anomaly. In every state I have looked at, slowly passing CC over the last 15 or so years, violent crime rates have always gone down.

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I think it hurts their slush funds, or so the thinking goes.

Anchorite said:

I think it hurts their slush funds, or so the thinking goes.

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I’ll be honest, I think it’s much more about power. The Sheriff’s here used to have the power to determine who got a pistol permit, and to decide if you could OC. I fully believe they think they know best who should be allowed to carry a gun and who shouldn’t.

This is old video, but I think it reveals their true motive. And my sheriff is one on the (non high road expletives) behind the guy. Someone needs to tell these guys what the road to hell is paved with.

Has anyone had any news on the NY case pending with the Supreme Court? Its doubtful their decision could lead to anything like constitutional carry in NY or elsewhere, but its impact on permitting might have some bearing on the push to constitutional carry.

DeepSouth said:

I’ll be honest, I think it’s much more about power. The Sheriff’s here used to have the power to determine who got a pistol permit, and to decide if you could OC. I fully believe they think they know best who should be allowed to carry a gun and who shouldn’t.

This is old video, but I think it reveals their true motive. And my sheriff is one on the (non high road expletives) behind the guy. Someone needs to tell these guys what the road to hell is paved with.

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Good point and I’d have to agree. With the passage of CC it’s dragging these 67 Sheriffs into the twenty-first century.
Having practiced a good deal of criminal law over the last twenty years, I’ve seen the sheriffs get into the bail bond business and the house arrest/GPS monitoring business too. It’s all about power.

-And now Georgia is waiting for their governor to sign their CC bill... .