Looks like there may soon be more Constitutional carry states

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One of the things that really grinds my gears with some of the GOP governors and state legistlators who oppose permitless carry is the only reason they'll oppose it is because big city sheriffs and high ranking state police oppose it and what the GOP politicians don't understand or dont care to accept is most of those sheriffs are Democrats.
 
TTv2 said:
One of the things that really grinds my gears with some of the GOP governors and state legistlators who oppose permitless carry is the only reason they'll oppose it is because big city sheriffs and high ranking state police oppose it and what the GOP politicians don't understand or dont care to accept is most of those sheriffs are Democrats.
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I think it’s also largely about political donors. Follow the money, and the legislation follows.
 
Anchorite said:
I think it’s also largely about political donors. Follow the money, and the legislation follows.
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It's also about the money. One reason I was so surprised to see Texas and Alabama go permitless is because of how many millions of dollars would be lost in application and renewal fees. It's as big a cash cow as speeding cameras.
 
Well we had enough politicians that decided to stand up for 2nd Amendment rights in TX. Now we need to work on making signage unenforceable. It endangers everyone because criminals ignore them
 
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Bad behaviour by others does not Trump rights. The History of Constitutional Carry proves it works just fine. Promoting safety as well as training is what any law abiding citizen promotes. Making it mandatory nope.
 
Axis II said:
Those of you who have this nonsense does your state have issues with absolute morons unjustifiably shooting people? I just saw on FB guys arguing over shooting someone in a car that reversed from a parking spot doing about 50mph and slamming into a parked car. One guy said it was probably a medical emergency and someone actually said medical emergency or not they are putting peoples lives and safety in danger driving like that so its justified if you shoot them. Another said this is why you carry a gun. Another said the car was driving reckless and it would be a good shoot. All of this makes me SMH. I will still notify because its the right thing to do. We really need to just stop with all this nonsense of no training needed, no one to teach you self defense/use of force laws. Someone, some day in one of these CC states is going to think they are "doing the right thing" or "protecting themselves" and going to take an life for no reason.
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It has been said. Freedom is dangerous.


Also, Don’t blame the tool, blame the operator… else join the “save lives, stop knives” campaign going on in other countries, because tools that can used to murder are to many to number.
 
I wonder how many that oppose this either themselves, or their friends, teach CCW classes as a side job, and just don't want to lose that extra income?
 
I'm in Ohio and have somewhat mixed feelings. While I am happy that Constitutional carry is now the law, I did learn a lot from the 12 hour class I had to take several years ago (not shooting, but the legalities). I would hope those that carry are familiar with the laws, but now there is no guarantee.
 
Insignificant bill said:
Well we had enough politicians that decided to stand up for 2nd Amendment rights in TX. Now we need to work on making signage unenforceable. It endangers everyone because criminals ignore them
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That would test the meaning of "open to the public". It worked for desegregation of a lunch counter, but people will likely refuse to make the connection to self defense.
 
valnar said:
I'm in Ohio and have somewhat mixed feelings. While I am happy that Constitutional carry is now the law, I did learn a lot from the 12 hour class I had to take several years ago (not shooting, but the legalities). I would hope those that carry are familiar with the laws, but now there is no guarantee.
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I'm a Buckeye too but I have absolutely no "mixed feelings" regarding "Constitutional Carry". Training and practice is highly recommended but never should be a prerequisite for having the right to protect yourself from assault. Does anybody really want entities like New York, New Jersey and California (to name only a few) to determine the kind of "training"; the cost of training or the time period of training before "renewal" is mandated? I was in law enforcement for 28 years before retiring and had to "qualify" bi-annually. Should that regimen be imposed on everyday citizens? Criminals don't need "permission" sans training to carry a weapon; why should honest folks be required to?

It's my opinion that every one of the fifty states should be required to endorse and respect the right for an honest citizen to carry a handgun for self-defense without "permission" being granted or required by the Government. After all, we are beseeching the Constitution of the United States for affirmation of the right to self-defense on the part of "the People".
 
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SwampWolf said:
I'm a Buckeye too but I have absolutely no "mixed feelings" regarding "Constitutional Carry". Training and practice is highly recommended but never should be a prerequisite for having the right to protect yourself from assault. Does anybody really want entities like New York, New Jersey and California (to name only a few) to determine the kind of "training"; the cost of training or the time period of training before "renewal" is mandated? I was in law enforcement for 28 years before retiring and had to "qualify" bi-annually. Should that regimen be imposed on everyday citizens? Criminals don't need "permission" sans training to carry a weapon; why should honest folks be required to?

It's my opinion that every one of the fifty states should be required to endorse and respect the right for an honest citizen to carry a handgun for self-defense without "permission" being granted or required by the Government. After all, we are beseeching the Constitution of the United States for the affirmation of the right to self-defense on the part of "the People".
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Absolutely
 
Here in Washington state, it’s very easy to get a CPP, mail in fingerprint, $55, that’s it.

BUT, for not, we are buying as many mags as possible.
 
Mark_Mark said:
Here in Washington state, it’s very easy to get a CPP, mail in fingerprint, $55, that’s it.

BUT, for not, we are buying as many mags as possible.
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I think the point for a lot of people is why do you have to pay $55 to exercise your constitutional right? you don't pay $55 for the right to go to church or $55 for the right to express your opinion
 
Brubz said:
I think the point for a lot of people is why do you have to pay $55 to exercise your constitutional right? you don't pay $55 for the right to go to church or $55 for the right to express your opinion
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100% agree! but The law is the law
 
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Wow there's no $ charge to vote, but there sure is a lot of ''buyers remorse'' a few short months later. Seen several cycles of this , voters get smart just 2-3-6 months too late haha
 
SwampWolf said:
I'm a Buckeye too but I have absolutely no "mixed feelings" regarding "Constitutional Carry". Training and practice is highly recommended but never should be a prerequisite for having the right to protect yourself from assault. Does anybody really want entities like New York, New Jersey and California (to name only a few) to determine the kind of "training"; the cost of training or the time period of training before "renewal" is mandated? I was in law enforcement for 28 years before retiring and had to "qualify" bi-annually. Should that regimen be imposed on everyday citizens? Criminals don't need "permission" sans training to carry a weapon; why should honest folks be required to?

It's my opinion that every one of the fifty states should be required to endorse and respect the right for an honest citizen to carry a handgun for self-defense without "permission" being granted or required by the Government. After all, we are beseeching the Constitution of the United States for affirmation of the right to self-defense on the part of "the People".
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My feelings summed up.

I'm also in favor of Ohio creating an enhanced CHL, or rather a CDW, that allows you to do three things.
1. Carry any deadly weapon concealed.
2. Carry in or on any place that a law enforcement officer can carry, such as schools and courthouses, provided that weapons remain concealed and undeclared to non-LEOs.
3. Have long guns with loaded mags inserted in motor vehicles.

It'd probably make the anti-gunners extremely angry.
 
CherokeeGunslinger said:
My feelings summed up.

I'm also in favor of Ohio creating an enhanced CHL, or rather a CDW, that allows you to do three things.
1. Carry any deadly weapon concealed.
2. Carry in or on any place that a law enforcement officer can carry, such as schools and courthouses, provided that weapons remain concealed and undeclared to non-LEOs.
3. Have long guns with loaded mags inserted in motor vehicles.

It'd probably make the anti-gunners extremely angry.
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Or extremely frightened.
 
CherokeeGunslinger said:
My feelings summed up.

I'm also in favor of Ohio creating an enhanced CHL, or rather a CDW, that allows you to do three things.
1. Carry any deadly weapon concealed.
2. Carry in or on any place that a law enforcement officer can carry, such as schools and courthouses, provided that weapons remain concealed and undeclared to non-LEOs.
3. Have long guns with loaded mags inserted in motor vehicles.
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I agree completely but with one exception: In my experience, there is way too much unexpected and unpredictable raw emotion inherent in courtroom environs, be it domestic custody cases or charges of murder. Not a place nor a reason for a litigant, spectator or family member infused with rage or revenge to be armed. Just asking for trouble for no good reason.
 
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