Looks like there may soon be more Constitutional carry states

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In TX, some cities had local ordinances against carrying a loaded long arm in your car. The rationale was at the time that gang members were buying cheap SKS rifles and driving around with them. The ordinance was to be able to bust them and perhaps interfere with gang activities. The ordinance was challenged and found to be state level unconstitutional.

There have been plenty of cops shot by folks with long arms in their car. Now a law probably wouldn't deter them. Also, research has shown that some cops act more negatively to you if they see an AR vs. other long arm in the car. Waving your gun around as in OC or leaving it exposed in a car is stupid.
 
Insignificant bill said:
Just read Georgia Senate passed cc Bill. The same unfounded claims being thrown around. Criminals are the ones doing the shooting and ignore the laws that we have to follow. We are a country of ignorant people who don't learn from history.
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When it comes to any of this we hear the same nonsense over and over again. Here in Ohio it was cries that CCW or CHL licensing would turn the state into the wild, wild west which is nonsense and actually the so called wild, wild west was not all that wild and rather tame compared to the streets of today's major cities. CCW passed in Ohio in 2004 and to date nothing has happened to speak of let alone build their foolish arguments on.

As to law enforcement who do not want this legislation? Unfortunately I can't have law enforcement in my pocket everywhere I go so I just bring my own along. Hell here in Cleveland we just had a 19 year old female who a judge felt did not warrant being in jail shoot and kill an off duty police officer in a carjacking. She had outstanding warrants for armed robbery. Go figure. No longer is it just the inner city ghetto, crime is alive and well here in the suburbs. Since law enforcement can't be everywhere, short of divine intervention, I should have my right to protect myself, my family and my property.

When DeWine signs it fine with me. Should he decline, fine with me too. I vote and about now many are unhappy with his handling of the COVID fiasco.

Just My Take
Ron
 
Reloadron said:
here in Cleveland we just had a 19 year old female who a judge felt did not warrant being in jail shoot and kill an off duty police officer in a carjacking. She had outstanding warrants for armed robbery. Go figure. No longer is it just the inner city ghetto, crime is alive and well here in the suburbs. Since law enforcement can't be everywhere, short of divine intervention, I should have my right to protect myself, my family and my property.
Ron
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That's why constitutional carry is necessary. The police just can't protect you when the prosecutors let violent felons out of jail so they can commit more crimes. People used to worry about the black folks having guns and what they might do with them. I sincerely hope this law empowers them to take their cities back from the criminals and the feckless politicians, judges and DAs. I think it's the only thing that will reverse the current trend of increasing crime and violence in our cities. The political process has clearly failed miserably and so now it's up to Smith and Wesson to make things right but I would hope that everyone who chooses to exercise this right and this power does so with extreme awareness of the Ohio self defense laws. They are there to protect law abiding citizens but you have to BE a law abiding citizen to enjoy the immunity that those laws confer. if nothing else, this law will increase the likelihood that a would be victim is carrying and may give criminals second thoughts about their activities. The Concealed Carry permit is like a vaccine against violent criminals. As more people get this vaccine, even the un-immunized members of the herd will enjoy a degree of immunity. If enough of the herd is carrying, you have herd immunity. Criminals won't know whether to crap or go blind.
 
I am not opposed to constitutional carry. I support it. If I could add one caveat, it should be for concealed carry. One thing that does bother me a bit is open carry. Here in Michigan we essentially don't have a law against open carry. I have reasons for my reticence. There are some folks who like to swagger around with open carry. I've seen it. I also don't think that helps much with the visual with respect to folks who are uneasy about firearms, even without the swagger, especially these days. The other reason has to do with criminal uncertainty. If everyone who wished to carry a firearm concealed it, the fear of the unknown produces a bit of uncertainty with respect to a physical confrontation by a criminal at times. Nothing is 100% of course, but if there is going to be an edge, concealed carry offers it.
 
Open carry is the norm. Concealed carry has always been the exception to the norm. We like open carry because it's subtle and more civilized but for centuries, open carry was the norm and concealed carry was illegal and that norm is written into many many state constitutions and I think it needs to stay codified there and, from time to time, the right should be responsibly exercised for no other reason than to exercise the right but, as far as I'm concerned, if I'm open carrying, it isn't because I'm making a political statement, it's because I feel like the situation is such that my safety is best ensured by having a firearm out and in the open-perhaps, in the case of a rifle, even at the low ready position or high ready if need be. Recent events have demonstrated that the openly carried rifle remains a legitimate threat deterrent and self defense weapon and I wouldn't be at all supportive of any law that removed that right from my state's constitution.
 
grampster said:
I am not opposed to constitutional carry. I support it. If I could add one caveat, it should be for concealed carry. One thing that does bother me a bit is open carry. Here in Michigan we essentially don't have a law against open carry. I have reasons for my reticence. There are some folks who like to swagger around with open carry. I've seen it. I also don't think that helps much with the visual with respect to folks who are uneasy about firearms, even without the swagger, especially these days. The other reason has to do with criminal uncertainty. If everyone who wished to carry a firearm concealed it, the fear of the unknown produces a bit of uncertainty with respect to a physical confrontation by a criminal at times. Nothing is 100% of course, but if there is going to be an edge, concealed carry offers it.
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"Having one caveat" means that you actually are opposed to what is commonly known as "Constitutional carry".
 
Update on Ohio according to a local TV station in Cincinnati. Ohio Governor Mike Dewine has until March 15th to sign the concealed carry bill.
They say he can sign it or veto it or do nothing in which case it becomes law in 90 days
 
Thank God that Tom Wolff(D) of Pennsylvania is on his last term. He has said that he will veto ANYTHING related to the second amendment that comes across his desk. No questions asked. And our democratic senate will back him. No recourse to his veto. I’m still a firm believer that there should be a federal law allowing national carry as long as you’re legally able to
 
Brubz said:
Update on Ohio according to a local TV station in Cincinnati. Ohio Governor Mike Dewine has until March 15th to sign the concealed carry bill.
They say he can sign it or veto it or do nothing in which case it becomes law in 90 days
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Interesting that it passes if he does nothing. If true, I'll bet $100 he does that.

This bill is his only chance of being re-elected for anything ever again. I doubt he sees it.
 
Zerodefect said:
Interesting that it passes if he does nothing. If true, I'll bet $100 he does that.

This bill is his only chance of being re-elected for anything ever again. I doubt he sees it.
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Yes, that is the law. He can sign it, veto it and if he does neither the bill becomes law in 90 days. Should he choose a veto there are not enough votes to overturn the veto. Right now many who supported him do not plan to reelect him because of his handling of COVID. I have no clue what he may or may not do. Generally he has been pro gun but we shall see.

Ron
 
Zerodefect said:
Interesting that it passes if he does nothing. If true, I'll bet $100 he does that.

This bill is his only chance of being re-elected for anything ever again. I doubt he sees it.
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If DeWine vetoes the bill, I'm going to vote in the Republican primary for Ron Hood. This schmuck better at least let it become law without his signature. He can cry like a baby all he wants, but as long as it passes, that's all I care about.
 
CherokeeGunslinger said:
If DeWine vetoes the bill, I'm going to vote in the Republican primary for Ron Hood. This schmuck better at least let it become law without his signature. He can cry like a baby all he wants, but as long as it passes, that's all I care about.
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I agree. If DeWine has to do what he has to do to appease other segments of the voting population, I'm OK with that AS LONG AS IT PASSES. I have always been lukewarm on the guy due to his history of being less than enthusiastic about supporting 2A issues and I was pleasantly surprised to see him pass some pro-2A laws. Unlike a lot of folks, I didn't have any big problem with his COVID response. I thought it was pragmatic. So the only thing that would keep me from happily voting for him would be a veto here frankly and I don't think he's going to do that.
 
bearcreek said:
My point with the question was that, IMO, no state required CCW course that I know of comes even remotely close to being sufficient training for someone to competently to carry and possibly use a gun. Responsible people should go far beyond that. Very few do.

That being said, I'd be interested to see if anyone could come up with any evidence showing that either firearms accidents or unjustified homicides occur at a higher rate in states that don't require training for carry than in those that do. I suspect that there isn't a significant difference, if any.
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First, huge congrats to Ohio and Alabama, well done!
To the quoted post - Arizona is a good example. For the four years immediately following our adoption of Constitutional Carry in Arizona, our homicide rate dropped. Figures available in the FBI UCR.
AS for training, we are inches away from an excellent bill becoming law out here, HB 2448, which was passed the House and is now in the Senate. This bill requires safety training for children in schools, not to teach them how to shoot, but how not to have an accident...well, let the brief tell the story;https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/55leg/2R/summary/H.HB2448_020122_HOUSEENGROSSED.pdf .
This is the only mandatory training I support.
 
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