Packing a punch, and concealing it. Ideas?

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MedWheeler said:
"dumbstruck" while "still processing" what's going on and become separated from the bag.
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Not sure if I'm reading into it or if this is snark, but I think it's important to calibrate for your own abilities and consider that even if you're armed and situational aware, you're at a disadvantage. Most shooters don't announce their attack in advance and if you have happened to catch a clip of one of these shootings unfold, you'd know that even the highly trained most steely eyed SOB's among us would still be at a disadvantage if you're carrying a handgun and somebody steps out of their vehicle or walks through the door with a rifle racked and ready.

I'm confident in my abilities sure, but in this latest incident I'm pretty sure the first 4 that dropped in that parking lot didn't even know what was going on. I don't even think they had any fear because he dropped 4 people in a matter of a few seconds.
 
trackskippy said:
Did it knock you on your keister when you shot it?
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No, but i haven't loaded a full power round yet. Still working on CUP info. I loaded some 405gr trapdoor loads. Its does kick quite a bit more than my BFR but that was to be expected.
 
As opposed to “bigger is better”, recommend additional magazines/ammunition, reload training, and focus on other areas than a center mass. Like a pelvic shot.

Enhanced situational awareness trumps all.
 
Some people on gun forums: "Handguns are for fighting your way back to a rifle or shotgun". :barf:
OP: "I've been thinking about how to carry a Shockwave"
Some people on gun forums: "Nah, just up the situational awareness and carry a handgun."

That ^ is funny.

OP I carry a Glock 17/22 + spare mag wherever I go - I don't do the "good / bad area" carry differential. The "bad area" gun is the everywhere gun.
If I was going to enter a handgun shooting competition I'd choose the 17 or 22 - I carry the handgun I'd take to a contest.
If I have to defend myself its a life & death "contest" where I try to hopefully stop somebody(s) from inflicting serious or lethal harm to me.
 
I want to mention that I am very alert, very situationally aware and very experienced shooting a handgun, could use some proper training but I've been shooting guns a long while with an emphasis on draw speed, reload speed, etc..... I'm not the fastest gun out there by a long shot but what experience and skill I do have I can put together pretty well I'd say.

What I'm more interested in hearing about is just what I asked, I don't intend on trucking a 12ga or AR pistol around everywhere, I'm really thinking of one or two specific venues where I would want to do this and this would be in addition to my pistol.

I appreciate some of the input on being situationally aware, etc... got it. For those who carry something a lil less conventional like a Shockwave or AR pistol and wouldn't mind sharing, what do you carry it in.
 
KY DAN said:
You're not Rambo
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Understood. I guess maybe I didn't communicate the concern very well. I'm referencing a specific type of scenario, like being in a building, maybe in a church or something like that where it's not uncommon for mass shooters to run in with a loaded rifle and begin shooting. Because I am not Rambo and have reserved confidence about making a headshot with a small pistol at 50+ft, I am considering the option of sneaking around with something a lil spicier to tilt the scales.....

That's really the direction I was headed with this. I carry a 9mm everywhere basically and that would be in addition to, not in place of. So that 9mm and training, situationally aware....covered.
 
Elkins45 said:
This seems to be a situation where a couple of rounds to the pelvis might have been the best tactic.
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Sounds like you trained under trainers with a similar philosophy as mine. We trained to take two shots center mass then go for the pelvis as opposed to a head shot. The theory being in an active shooter scenario the potential for innocent civilians heads being behind the shooter's head would be high so the idea was to bring them down then go for the head shot using a downward bullet trajectory.
 
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I hate to be a naysayer but I'm trying to envision how someone would carry even a 7.5 inch barrel AR "pistol" concealed in a manner that it could be drawn in seconds. Unless anything under 60 seconds counts as seconds. The idea of deploying a scattergun in a crowded environment is equally baffling to me. If you do manage to come up with a way of concealing a short barrel rifle identifying as a pistol, make sure you check local carry laws. In South Carolina for example, your concealed carry firearm must be less than 12 inches overall length. I've checked a few stats and haven't seen anything like you describe having an overall length of less than 12 inches.
 
Realistically, the only way I personally could conceal an AR pistol or shockwave would be with bag carry. I would not be able to conceal it on my person. And the only bag carry that I’ve ever been really okay with was with a Maxpedition Jumbo Versipack. It offered a very quick deployment with a little practice. But i don’t think that bag is big enough for the guns you are talking about.

you might be able to do it with a messenger bag carried with the strap in a cross-body orientation. But frankly, given the context, it would likely attract unwanted attention.
 
I don't see carrying anything more than a mid sized handgun viable or efficient while I'm afoot, or not occupying a static area where I can store such a larger firearm discreetly. I keep tactical style shotguns in my vehicles and other more effective long arms in my house, and I will move the shotgun from the vehicle into a place like a hotel where I am staying for the night, but that's it. If I had a business, I would keep a long arm accessible there, but I don't.
 
Plan2Live said:
I hate to be a naysayer but I'm trying to envision how someone would carry even a 7.5 inch barrel AR "pistol" concealed in a manner that it could be drawn in seconds. Unless anything under 60 seconds counts as seconds. The idea of deploying a scattergun in a crowded environment is equally baffling to me. If you do manage to come up with a way of concealing a short barrel rifle identifying as a pistol, make sure you check local carry laws. In South Carolina for example, your concealed carry firearm must be less than 12 inches overall length. I've checked a few stats and haven't seen anything like you describe having an overall length of less than 12 inches.
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Some states also will not allow you to transport a loaded long arm. That would add extra steps to the process of getting the gun out and ready
 
Two to the chest one to the head! Apparently this sub human had a helmet on also, not sure if it was Kevlar or not. This is not a scenario that most people are prepared for when carrying a pistol. In fact it’s the worst you could face. Remember the LA Shootout? It took rifles to stop. The only recommendation I heard that makes sense is the 5.7. This round has a unbelievable ability to penetrate soft pistol rated body armor. Solid Rifle level plates like what I have been hearing will stop any rifle round in my bag of tricks. There is the impact and foot pounds that will still do soft tissue and bone damage. I don’t think one can arm himself against this guy and still be able to function in a normal environment. It’s a small percentage but every once in a while a devil like this comes around. A good comfortable pair of running shoes might be the only way, live and fight another day!
 
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Plan2Live said:
I hate to be a naysayer but I'm trying to envision how someone would carry even a 7.5 inch barrel AR "pistol" concealed in a manner that it could be drawn in seconds. Unless anything under 60 seconds counts as seconds. The idea of deploying a scattergun in a crowded environment is equally baffling to me. If you do manage to come up with a way of concealing a short barrel rifle identifying as a pistol, make sure you check local carry laws. In South Carolina for example, your concealed carry firearm must be less than 12 inches overall length. I've checked a few stats and haven't seen anything like you describe having an overall length of less than 12 inches.
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I'm thinking that it wouldn't take anywhere near 60 seconds to pull a SBS or Shockwave from a pack of some sort, I would think if you had some sort of pack where you could stow a weapon situated by your side or at your feet it shouldn't take, well more than a few seconds. Like 5 to maybe 8 seconds tops. I don't have one to test it but I don't know why it would take anybody anywhere close to a full minute to pull something from a dedicated pack, if it does take you that long, sheesh, idk. Work on it.

I honestly thought this was the whole purpose of these Shockwaves and AR pistols, why else would you want a 7.5" pistol or a Shockwave 12ga if not for ease of concealment and portability.
 
wcwhitey said:
The only recommendation I heard that makes sense is the 5.7. This round has a unbelievable ability to penetrate soft pistol rated body armor.
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Good call. Yeah, I guess I forgot about the 5.7. That might be a good compromise and with the added bonus of on the body carry, that's an excellent option. I shot one on two occasions and shot it very well. I loved the FN but wasn't ready to pay what they were going for during BHO. Since then Ruger has put one out and I've seen them for around $575-$650. That's an idea. My uncle likes the Kel Tec PMR30 but I don't. They are too finicky for me even after some aftermarket upgrades.
 
Why stop at 12ga. Why not 10. Or, .500 s&w mag. Or-. Why not just concentrate on being able to put what you have where it needs to be when it needs to be there. If you can't do that it's really not going matter anyway.
 
tws3b2 said:
Why stop at 12ga. Why not 10. Or, .500 s&w mag. Or-. Why not just concentrate on being able to put what you have where it needs to be when it needs to be there. If you can't do that it's really not going matter anyway.
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Oh my goodness. OK. Nm. Thank you everybody.
 
Handshaker said:
No, but i haven't loaded a full power round yet. Still working on CUP info. I loaded some 405gr trapdoor loads. Its does kick quite a bit more than my BFR but that was to be expected.
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Won't matter much how you load it, the ballistics you get from a barrel that short won't be much better than a 45 Colt. And I would be extremely wary of loading it any hotter than a trapdoor load.
 
DustyGmt said:
Oh my goodness. OK. Nm. Thank you everybody.
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I mean, it's not ok if you don't prepare for multiple armed and determined attackers when getting your mail. The rule of thumb is you can't have too much ammo unless you're drowning or on fire. But if you want input on preparing for the scenario you've laid out, the answer is: just carry another speed loader, pay attention and train more.
 
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