What is the Best Home Defense Gun? 8 Tactical Experts Share Their Take

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Buzznrose said:
I have to say, this was quite a post.

These folks you question have all had many hundreds, if not thousands of hours of training to clear rooms, hunt for threats, and identify bad guys in split seconds. They are the ones who went into the life or death situations.

Their level of situational awareness is pretty high considering you live it for many years, it just becomes a part of your world. Could they get sucker punched? Yes…but not nearly as easily as most folks…and chances are they already identified the person as a
potential threat before any action took place.

They are also way more skilled in weapons handling, manipulation, and marksmanship than 95% of the planet. They have been “on the two way range”
and lived to tell the tales, so they have real world experience. They have also participated in many after action briefs where shooting and missions were debriefed to identify mistakes made and lessons to learn from.

these guys train the folks who go carry guns to protect us, as well as the citizens who participate in their own protection.

You act as if they are 20 something air soft internet warriors…

You are showing much ignorance in your post.
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I served with Kennedy and Proctor and I used the same range in NC as Lamb. These guys are legit. As in, top 1% and better at it than me.
 
StrawHat said:
I agree. Many of these Special Operators have plenty of terrorist experience but no experience with in home invasions. There is a difference.

Kevin
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These guys are’t battlefield grunts (although most know and have done it)

These guys train to be the ultimate home invaders. These guys are the experts on urban warfare and facility and building breaching and fighting.

Why on earth wouldn’t they understand how to best defend against the stuff they are experts in?
 
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.455_Hunter said:
My natural cynical response to nearly 35 years following the pronouncements of few generations of defensive talking heads. This includes many massive disconnects in the logic presented versus the real life experiences that I have either been a participant or witness/close-associate in inner-city, urban, semi-rural, rural and wilderness threat environments. They just don't blow up my skirt much anymore. Potentially interesting and useful?- Maybe. Gospel on how to plan for a defensive situation?- Not really. Your mileage may vary.
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I don't believe in fallacies either, but you're making me curious here. What's your resume in home defense expertise if you don't mind me asking?
 
jar said:
On lights.

These days weapon mounted lights for home defense seem, at least to me, to be absolutely the wrong choice.

Today it is relatively cheap and easy to have intelligent house lighting that can be voice or cell phone controlled and allow the homeowner to determine which areas are lighted (and recorded) and which areas are in the dark. For example entryway lights can be motion detecting and also IOT with voice and cell phone control.

The weapon mounted light is both directional and lights a limited area. It also has to be in the same room as the potential target and does pinpoint where the threat to the target is located.

Having smart lights and smart cameras seems to me to be better than a weapon mounted light for several reasons. First, I do not intend to go to the threat but rather move to where I might have an advantage. I only want to protect people, and that's best done by preparation and training (growing up we had fire drills at night at home as well as exist drills for storms with set rendezvous points).
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There is so much wrong here. When they break in, they break in running at full speed, you are not going to have the time to whip out a cell and open aps. Giving away your location by voice isn't smart either, but hey your last words before being shot to death will be comically repeated later as the divvy up your stuffs.

Weapon mounted lights are force multipliers with a stun affect, spill and throw giving situation awareness, and can right now positively ID a threat or not. You only use it when needed.

I have cameras and an outside 360 FLIR system in place, but let's be honest here it's not a security blanket. It's part of an active self and home protection system that given enough time you can call 911 and make a plan.

You do you, but your advice isn't remotely even helpful, especially since you gave no thought of technology either failing at the worst moment, and the power being out during a national emergency with the potential to be looted.
 
Remington1911 said:
Let me fix that for you.....

I made it to the first guy and stopped knowing how it would go.

So you are a seal, what in that position will qualify you to say anything valid about a "home defense" gun? Answer not one single thing.

Oh he was a "seal", or this guy was a green beret, or that guy was an "operator".....really like dial zero?

Your thoughts and views carry as much weight as mine do and are just as valid. Hay Mr. Seal you have any experience with a wigged out tweeker on your door step, or half in half out of your window. Or that guy that just comes up behind you and sucker punches you in the back of the head, don't care how much of an "operator" you are, hit you in the back of the head out of the blue with a brick all your training and experience goes right out the window.

But they are at least making a good living being "internet experts".
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What I heard from you was "I don't know what I am talking about either so I will make up an excuse to make myself feel superior than them".

What's your resume here?
 
FL-NC said:
I served with Kennedy and Proctor and I used the same range in NC as Lamb. These guys are legit. As in, top 1% and better at it than me.
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But @Remington1911 , here on the forum, says that his views carry as much weight as theirs! You should listen to him! I mean, the man has an actual internet connection, that should be credentials enough, right!? :rofl:
 
Remington1911,

I said some things in my earlier post I should not have. I apologize if you took it as a personal attack…

I disagree with your post, but this is THR, not AR15.com or M4Carbine.com. We debate respectfully. I am sorry if I didn’t…
 
The_Quartermaster said:
There is so much wrong here. When they break in, they break in running at full speed, you are not going to have the time to whip out a cell and open aps. Giving away your location by voice isn't smart either, but hey your last words before being shot to death will be comically repeated later as the divvy up your stuffs.

Weapon mounted lights are force multipliers with a stun affect, spill and throw giving situation awareness, and can right now positively ID a threat or not. You only use it when needed.

I have cameras and an outside 360 FLIR system in place, but let's be honest here it's not a security blanket. It's part of an active self and home protection system that given enough time you can call 911 and make a plan.

You do you, but your advice isn't remotely even helpful, especially since you gave no thought of technology either failing at the worst moment, and the power being out during a national emergency with the potential to be looted.
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Well, actually I have thought of both, especially since my career was mostly designing systems and programs that were sure to fail even after our best efforts and to try to address those failure points before the Id zero t found them.

Personally I have also considered things like disasters and power outages and looting.

It's called planning. For disasters plan both exit strategies in multiple directions as well as bug out supplies and plan B supplies if exit is not possible. For power outages I have UPS and battery backups on mission critical devices plus a whole home natural generator.

As for looting, that is why I have insurance. I do not intend to guard against looting.
 
The_Quartermaster said:
Now that had he mentioned it, I would have conceded.
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We all have our different realities, why we have so many different opinions. If those 8 all lived in the same house, they might be closer in their picks. To many unknowns or variables undefined.
 
jar said:
Well, actually I have thought of both, especially since my career was mostly designing systems and programs that were sure to fail even after our best efforts and to try to address those failure points before the Id zero t found them.

Personally I have also considered things like disasters and power outages and looting.

It's called planning. For disasters plan both exit strategies in multiple directions as well as bug out supplies and plan B supplies if exit is not possible. For power outages I have UPS and battery backups on mission critical devices plus a whole home natural generator.

As for looting, that is why I have insurance. I do not intend to guard against looting.
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You chose me instead of the first person who was articulating this better than I could, and he responded to you first. Do not mistake me as the easier person to argue with, because you will not get that at all.

Your counter is the exact opposite of superfluous, and quite quixotic. I personally know two persons in two different career fields who had to flip up a rear BUIS and use irons to stay in the fight. One was a Marine who's primary was obstructed with debris from an IED, the other was a cop part of a warrant team who in the middle of a stack, his optic died. Both were clear demonstrations that while technology is awesome, it's still not impervious to being infallible either. And both were still able to stay in the fight which translates to this well in a life lesson that if things stop working with your plan that has no backups, then you still have no backup and screwed yourself whereas a backup in place is a backup well thought out.
 
Room clearing is an element of clearing a building. It is an offensive exercise, and it involves entering a structure for the purpose of finding and engaging persons who should not be in it. It is extremely risky--persons who try it in FoF training usually lose. Professionals really do not like to do it alone.

Respoding to a home invasion is a defensive encounter. The objective is to prevent harm to the defender and lawful occupants, and the tactic is to let the threat come to them. Should the invaders leave, that is a good outcome.
 
Buzznrose said:
I have to disagree…

These folks you question have all had many hundreds, if not thousands of hours of training to clear rooms, hunt for threats, and identify bad guys in split seconds. They are the ones who went into the life or death situations.

Their level of situational awareness is pretty high considering you live it for many years, it just becomes a part of your world. Could they get sucker punched? Yes…but not nearly as easily as most folks…and chances are they already identified the person as a
potential threat before any action took place.

They are also way more skilled in weapons handling, manipulation, and marksmanship than 95% of the planet. They have been “on the two way range”
and lived to tell the tales, so they have real world experience. They have also participated in many after action briefs where shooting and missions were debriefed to identify mistakes made and lessons to learn from.

these guys train the folks who go carry guns to protect us, as well as the citizens who participate in their own protection.

they are not 20 something air soft internet warriors…they are seasoned professionals.

Edited to bring my post to THR standards.
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Military training has little to do with a 34yr old house wife. Generally the best thing to do is grab your loved ones and lock yourself in a room with your phone and wait for the cavalry. You are really setting yourself up for failure even knowing your house like the back of your hand going through that alone with a 4 yr old in the other arm. Just flat stupid and not the real world.

I am sure there will be examples that refute this, but it is not what I would suggest to anyone. Lock yourself up safe have your children safe....but that is not macho, not operator like, and you can't charge thousands of $$$ to say grab your kid gun and phone in that order and hide in the bathroom.

I know I am not going have the popular view on this subject as it flies in the face of so many on this forum. Personally knowing what I know now this is what I would do, it is just safer, and stuff is just stuff.

Ask yourself the question, do you really think any of these guys can really "train" you to do this with 100% chance of success, ask yourself if you do as I suggest if your chances of living to the next day are higher or lower.
 
Kleanbore said:
Room clearing is an element of clearing a building. It is an offensive exercise, and it involves entering a structure for the purpose of finding and engaging persons who should not be in it. It is extremely risky--persons who try it in FoF training usually lose. Professionals really do not like to do it alone.

Respoding to a home invasion is a defensive encounter. The objective is to prevent harm to the defender and lawful occupants, and the tactic is to let the threat come to them. Should the invaders leave, that is a good outcome.
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I have no duty to retreat, and by bringing it to them one would be denying them them the battlespace to overpower and dominate my castle. Life is a risk, force on force is a reality and when help is not there and many miles away, you either are sheep or you're a wolf dog.

You are free to do you, but in no way will I do as you opined. It's all situation dependent anyway.
 
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