Selling my CZs! Zed wasn’t so bad friend but there are better ones

So the guy doesn't like CZ I wish more people didn't it would drive the price down for those of us who do

I don't think I ever got a CZ handgun to give me sub 1" groups at 25 yards, but then I don't think I got ANY handgun to give me that kind of accuracy yet, no matter the maker. I also shoot standing, not from a rest of any kind, I should try that sometime.
This is a good group, for me, from the P07 at 10 yards.

And not a single other message from the troll

CZ

I only own one CZ ~ Its a model CZ 83. Its a great medium size high capacity pistol. Has always shot flawlessly with all types of ammo. Accuracy is tops. I picked it up a couple of years ago as a used European police trade in??? The gun was a hand picked firearm by the vendor and was a good 99%. At $230 the bang for the buck has been awesome. If for some reason I needed another CC pistol, I would not hesitate to look at the CZ line.

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He averages about 10.5 meassages a year so he's obviously not the most prolific poster on THR. I don't know that you can call him a troll.

I went back and read the original article by 'Todd" (wasn't the guy Gecko was looking for named "Todd" too?) and I'm willing to accept that he had three students W/ CZs that had issues that class. A tanfiglio isn't a CZ and I don't care what issues someone had W/ that. You might as well not by a Ford Mustang because the Pintos sucked. What I'm not willing to do is base my handgun purchases on what some anonymous internet gun guru thinks.

When I bought my first CZ I was unfamiliar W/ the brand I was looking for a .40 S&W W/ a DA/SA trigger and the 75B was my second choice. It happened that I couldn't find my first choice at the gunshow so I went home W/ the CZ.

I paid 400.00$ for it used and in the 2 years I've had it I've had exactly one FTE.
That's enough for me to be willing to bet my life on it and I don't care what "Todd" thinks.

Selling My CZs - some dude named TODD doesn't like them

LOL, WHAAAT?

I've owned my CZ-75 Semi-compact for 6 years. It has over 1,500 rounds down the tube without a SINGLE malfunction.

Less reliable than Glock? - Not that I've seen from my G17 or G30

Less reliable than Beretta? - Not that I've seen from my Cougar

Less reliable than Sig? - Not that I've seen from my P6.

Frankly: your being foolish.

The OP never said CZ's were bad, or unreliable, just that there were better choices. I agree.

I understand the appeal that CZ's have. They make a great range toy. But don't confuse that with a great combat handgun. CZ's are accurate, the weight helps tame recoil and if you have average to small hands they have great ergonomics. All that helps for paper punching and shooting games. But for a variety of reasons, there are much better self defense handguns.

Some of you guys seem impressed with 2,000 rounds or so of reliable service. The Beretta had to continue working for 25,000 rounds to pass the military trials. Many 1911's have documented 100,000 rounds and are still working. When someone documents 250,000 rounds through a CZ you will now be playing with the big boys and I'll be impressed.

I look at it this way. Everyday there are men who go into harms way carrying a handgun for protection. Soldiers, law enforcement, and professional security personel overwhelmingly pass over the CZ pistols for other brands. Their experiences mirror mine. While the CZ is a good gun, it is not the best choice as a fighting gun.

Kingofthehill said:

Thats the dumbest thing i have heard. Someone writes a report and you feel you have to ditch the firearm now?

CZ75's are amazing firearms.

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I count on people like this. The latest article that pops up is the gun du jour. I buy most of my guns from these guys. They always take a beating on the gun and I get a nearly new for CHEAP!!

Post'em up in the classifieds, let's see how much you think it's worth!

I wanted to see what this article he referenced said so I Googled "Zed is not your friend". The 1st result was the article in question, but the 2nd two were posts by the OP on other forums. So I searched "Zed is not your friend irfan" and found he'd posted this exact same thing at a total of four other sites plus he'd had responses on the original article at pistol-training.com, which I found odd.

czforumsite.info
m4carbine.net
glocktalk.com
thefiringline.com
pistol-training.com << site of Todd post

I also found this post made here by the OP on Apr. 19th, 2 months before he read the piece by Todd

Irfan said:

I’ve had my CZ-85B 9mm pistol for 7 years. For those who don’t know it’s an ambidextrous version of the CZ-75B. I have to say I really like the pistol! It has great ergonomics, low bore axis, a steel frame, can be carried cocked & locked, hi-cap etc.

Today, I bought an excellent leather Italian VEGA shoulder holster for my CZ! My question for you guys (especially for those of you who are member of law enforcement agencies) would you feel comfortable to carry a CZ85B? I know it weighs too much, (I’m probably going to buy some smaller handgun, maybe a G26 or M&P340 revolver, but not so sure) but I speak here about its reliability and dependability. This is SHTF, go to war pistol. Do I really need a more “tactical” and popular Glock 17 or a SIG Sauer P226 for this purpose???

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http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=6436774#post6436774


That said hes not a troll in my opinion, but I don't know what to make of it all

Sorry for the long post but when I get a whiff of something weird I start to dig.

<<<< please note my low post count lol

OK, so where is this "tod" thread????

Thanks for some links, but to the op, come on, post a link don't just drop a pointless "hate" thread, really, what is the point of your post???????

I have CZ's and I am willing to spend my money to buy more, don't really see what your problem is, hell, you can get a bryco or jennings to work if you are willing to put the effort in. CZ's run with fewer hicups, now don't get me started on Kimbers

Soldiers, law enforcement, and professional security personel overwhelmingly pass over the CZ pistols for other brands.

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This is not the case outside of the U.S. The CZ is one of the most popular military and police pistols on the planet.

I look at it this way. Everyday there are men who go into harms way carrying a handgun for protection. Soldiers, law enforcement, and professional security personel overwhelmingly pass over the CZ pistols for other brands.

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You need to do some research. The US military and police market is dominated by who can deliver a weapon that meets the spec at the lowest price. It has nothing to do with what is the best. 99% of law enforcement and military get n choice in what they get to carry.

CZ has been used in great numbers all over the world by the very people you claim have passed them over.

I don't know how anyone can claim the CZ-75 is not a reliable firearm. I have several CZ-75's and they will even eat ammo that is rejected by the case guage without any hiccups. In my expereince the CZ-75 is amongst the msot reliable firearms manufactured.

I'm not choosing sides, but the CZ I had was not reliable.
It had a problem failing to eject the spent brass, thus causing the next round to stove-pipe.
It was sent back to CZ once, they claimed to have fixed the problem, but after a few hundred rounds it once again was malfunctioning.
It also didn't matter what ammo I used or who shot it, or what magazine I used, it would fail to eject the spent brass about three times per 10 round magazine.

I later traded it to a guy who felt that he could fix the problem.
Last time I talked to him he had sent it back to CZ again (this was several years ago).

It was a CZ 75B .40 Single-Action.


Does this mean that I don't trust CZ pistols?

No.
I think I just got a lemon.
It could happen to any gun maker.

Still, there were other things I didn't like so much about my CZ:
Since the slide rides inside the frame, if offers less to grab when racking the slide.
The sights were just a tad too small.
The reset was very long.
The trigger-pull, while crips and precise, was rather long too.
And it was a rather heavy pistol.

But it was very accurate.

The other thing was the blogger claiming CZ was/is responsible for Tanfoglio products. Thats like saying "My Taurus Model 82 broke, so all Smith and Wesson revolvers suck!" Also not mentioning that some of the guns exhibiting possible mag related failures were using home altered magazines made for another manufacturers firearms.
BUT, I only have 32 years shooting, and 17 years experiance with 6 Tanfoglio and 10 CZ-B products, what do I know.

BTW, the Phillipene National Police force just dumped Glock for the CZ P07, but no law enforcement agency would consider that move...

Nah, that's OK, move along citizen, nothing to see here, move along.

"I look at it this way. Everyday there are men who go into harms way carrying a handgun for protection. Soldiers, law enforcement, and professional security personel overwhelmingly pass over the CZ pistols for other brands."

Not in this world they don't pass them over. What world are you talking about?

CZ-75 pistols have been widely used in combat and police work since they were invented in '75.

John

BTW, the Philippines National Police force just dumped Glock for the CZ P07, but no law enforcement agency would consider that move

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I don't know if this is true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

After all, the Philippines is not a very wealthy nation and CZ probably made them a better deal than Glock.

Not to mention that Glocks are kinda fat in the grip, and Filipinos are not very large people (small hands), so the CZ's might be a better fit.


Does this mean that CZ pistols are better than Glocks?
No.
But the CZ might be better than a Glock for the average Filipino police officer.

I look at it this way. Everyday there are men who go into harms way carrying a handgun for protection. Soldiers, law enforcement, and professional security personel overwhelmingly pass over the CZ pistols for other brands. Their experiences mirror mine. While the CZ is a good gun, it is not the best choice as a fighting gun.

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Well first of all the gun was chambered in 9mm luger vs 9mm makarov all eastern block countries were forced to use.

It was a cold war foe, so no nato countries used it till the wall fell.

In its orginal form with a safety its not a very police recruit friendly gun. No departments or militaries allow cocked and locked carry except by special units.

Its my understanding the orginal 1911 was carried in a flap holster with the hammer down on an empty chamber, same with the BHP.

So even though it was a double action gun, one had to manually lower the hammer, which is done very easily, however one of the reasons police cheifs stuck with revolvers so long is because they were so easy to train new recruits on. Only after policemen unions in larger departments basically forced alot of cheifs to adopte semi's due to the escalating violence of the drug wars in the 1980's did this change.

Part of the reason Glocks are so popular is that they are a easy weapon to learn, rack slide, pull trigger, not far from a revolver.

So yes if you are typical police officer or military officer who only pulls his gun out once a year for qualification, by all means buy a glock.

If you are a expieranced shooter, the CZ is not that hard to master.

The cz patter is probably the most copied gun in the world, except maybee the 1911. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

easyg
http://www.czub.cz/en/news/news/the...at-3-gun-championship-in-the-philippines.aspx

Read about halfway down on that press release.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_National_Police#Weapons_and_Equipment

Sorry this is a Wiki page, the PNP homepage doesn't appear to have this info.

If that information doesn't meet your standards, I do apologize.

EasyG:

I had similar problems with my .40.

I replaced the extractor and spring: 5 minutes max.

I called CZ on the slide stop - the gun was assembled with a 9mm SS - these WILL tap the rounds and give you erradic feeding. They sent me a NEW .40 SS, so now I have a spare for my Kadet kit.

Now it is 100%.

CZs are EASY to work on, and almost all of it can be done my the user. And... reliability problems are rare.

Also, try to rack the slide on a Browning HP with the hammer down. CZ is easier.

It is also one of the most accurate pistols in general - read some forums. The .40 in particular. The CZ is also the easiest pistol to get a proper high thumbs hand hold with NO RISK of touching the slide at any time.

If you want a lighter pistol, they make them.

I don't drink CZ coolade. I criticize their trigger execution and offering NO P01 model with a manual safety - and I do it regularly.

But, reliability for the CZ is NOT a general issue.

The President of the Philippines Police Force, Mr. Jesus A Verzosa, who participated in the entire championship using the CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow pistol, finished this shooting challenge and stated that the results of the championship helped him conclude the final qualified decision as to which manufacturer should be selected to supply pistols for the Police Force of the Philippines. His words were further supported with a confirmed order for CZ 75 P-07 Duty pistols.

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So the President of the Philippines Police Force participated in a competition that only had about 500 pistol shooters total (half of which were shooting CZ weapons), in which he shot a CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow, so he then ordered some CZ pistols....

Sounds like someone is getting paid under the table for delivering a contract with CZ.

You doubted my word that they had signed a contract, I delivered the news, now you instantly assume it is an underhanded deal. If it were, would they publicize that? Ok, you obviously don't like the company and you don't believe the gun is good enough for any real user. Fine, you are certainly enitled to your opinions, even when A) you call me a liar

easyg said:

I don't know if this is true or not,

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and B) I provide facts and data to support my statements.

Sorry, I deal with enough liars at work, don't need to deal with you too.

He posted the exact same thread over at the Firing Line Forum.