amd6547
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neither do glock mags
If your odds of needing your weapon to confront a threat is 1,000,000:1 and you still carry, then if the odds of you needing more than 8 rounds in the minuscule chance that you need to produce your weapon is 10:1, 5:1, 2:1, whatever, then shouldn't you exercise the same level of caution? I would rather not have to worry about reloading than have to reload.
Let's not forget that a 1911 is very accurate. Has lightening fast double taps. Unless you're an expert marksman it has a more controllable first shot than a DA/SA.
I remember this was a very BIG thing in the 80's. 9MM vs. .45 ACP just like revolver vs. auto.OH PLEASE, NOT ANOTHER 9MM VS .45 THREAD!:banghead::banghead::banghead:
Why are 1911's so expensive for such an old gun? Do they still make these brand new?While I am indeed a fan of the 1911, this might be overstating it's abilities a bit...especially when speaking of production guns.
1. there are many guns as accurate as the 1911
2. it isn't any faster in controlled pairs than other pistols...the speed that followup shots can be fired is dependent on one's ability to see the sights on target
3. you don't need to be an expert marksman to control a DA first shot...there is no speed advantage to any trigger action to an accurate first shot. I worked with students and had them shooting more accurately with a DA first shot, than a SA first shot, in just a couple of hours
.45 doesn't need to expand as it still makes a big hole.Let's not forget that a 1911 is very accurate. Has lightening fast double taps. Unless you're an expert marksman it has a more controllable first shot than a DA/SA.
I carry a 9mm compact 12+1 DAO with subsonic 147 grain on my person for self-defense. If I needed a combat handgun, I'm using a 1911.
The best 9mm +p bullet may expand, but the slowest hardball .45 will never shrink.
In shootings don't more people survive 9mm hits vs. .45 or .357?Some 9mm bullets may expand upon impact, but a .45 never shrinks.
I have seen more gunshot victims and shell casings than I can recall. The 9mm rounds (I have seen) left clean, almost precision wounds. The .45's (I have seen) left sloppy and nasty wounds, often times did not exit. I have seen one .45 Colt (cowboy load) that left a fist sized wound, but did not knock an assailant down although his insides were twisted beyond repair and he succumbed to his injuries.
Here's some food for thought, internet is filled with people that have ideas about the 9mm vs. .45 acp. Every gunshot victim I have ever seen was in severe agony or dead.
Only one time did I ever see the end result of a gunfight where I was certain there was a reload. That was .45 Long Colt vs. .38 (I think it was a .38). The bad guy decided he needed to reload and the good guy decided to use his gigantic SAA revolver as a club delivering the final blow to the bad guy which finished the gun fight.
I think you guys put way too much thought in this. I don't think gun fights take as many rounds as you all may think they do.
Old guys tend to not give a ****. Therefore they don't get rattled nerves like a youngster does. The old guy just won't get shaky or get second thoughts. That's got nothing to do with skill or training. It's just life.The fact that he survived long enough to become old is compelling in and of itself.