mljdeckard
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No. A hit from a .50 BMG is not a guaranteed kill or knockdown. Yes, a higher likelihood than smaller rounds, but you can't say that everyone who has been hit by a .50 BMG has died either.
What will a 9mm, .40, .45 do to a man?
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"A .45 ACP will knock a man down typically with one shot. There's a reason it's called a man stopper. His initial momentum may carry him forward a couple of steps, but he's going down. It's slow velocity and heavy weight is the key; if you are using jacketed hollow points it will dump more energy with more immediate affects than a FMJ round and would be better suited for close quarters self defense. If you shoot a man with a .45 ACP with a single round he's gonna go down. Keep in mind it's not going to be like a Hollywood movie where he goes flying in the air, but he's not going to keep coming at you. The only exception would be if the person is wearing body armor; even at that the energy dumped in to him is going to drastically slow him down."
The ignorance and self assuredness in this paragraph is shocking.
Good luck when you have to shoot that tweaker...
The ignorance and self assuredness in this paragraph is shocking.
Good luck when you have to shoot that tweaker...
mljdeckard
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I carry a .45 with 230 gr HSTs, which consistently expand to the size of a quarter in human targets. I will not ever assume that anyone is dropping with the first shot when hit. I train that they are going to keep coming, my gun will malfunction, and I will have to clear it and keep firing as they keep coming.
If you really think that you just shoot someone and they fall over, you're in for a bit of a disappointment when you do it for real.
If you really think that you just shoot someone and they fall over, you're in for a bit of a disappointment when you do it for real.
Sorry. I'd have to see a man take a direct hit from a .50bmg and not go down to believe it. He may survive (not likely though), but he isn't walking to the hospital. The .50bmg generates over 11,000 and up to 15,000 lbs of energy. At 100 yards it can penetrate 9" of concrete, 96 inches of timber, you get the point. If you can find a case of someone not going down, much less not dying, from a .50 bmg hit that wasn't a ricochet or a fragment I would really like to see it.
I still maintain you can safely guarantee he is "going down" one way or another regardless of what you say.
mljdeckard
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And depending on what part of the body it hits, it could leave a .5 in pinhole he wouldn't even feel immediately. Energy is irrelevant, especially when there is so much that almost none of it is actually transferred to the target.
There have been MANY soldiers, friendly and enemy, who have been wounded by .50 BMG rounds that survived. Ask the Viet Cong.
NO ROUND is guaranteed to drop or kill anyone.
There have been MANY soldiers, friendly and enemy, who have been wounded by .50 BMG rounds that survived. Ask the Viet Cong.
NO ROUND is guaranteed to drop or kill anyone.
KodiakBeer
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Maybe it was supposed to be posted in the "Stupidest things you've ever heard about guns?" thread?
BADSBSNF81
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All three will put a a two legged or four legged creature down. Shot placement is the deciding factor.
mljdeckard
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All three MAY put a two or four legged creature down. If it's all about shot placement, use a .22.
LoganDub8388
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Obviously, the .45 is bigger than .40 or 9mm. However, shot placement is KEY! With todays modern hollow-point loads, if you shoot a 9 better than .40 or .45, go with the 9mm. I carry a keltec p11 daily and i never, ever feel undergunned with it. As far as "knock down power", its complete non-sense. Every situation is different; There have been people hit in head with a .45 only to have it ricochet off, and there have been ppl killed instantly with a .22 pistol. Carry and use the biggest caliber than you can SHOOT ACCURATELY!
Buck Snort
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Mr. T, Mr. T! Where did you get all the hogwash shoved into your head?!! Yeah, if you shoot ME with a 45 ACP you can bet my butt is going to the ground in a heartbeat!! If the perp who's coming at you fast is VERY LARGE and is stoked to the gills on meth, PCP, heroin (or some combination of the three) and has chucked down a few shots of Jack Daniels for kicks and grins, guess what? That sucker ain't going down with one shot unless it is a head shot and punctures the lower stem of the brain. There's nothing "magic" about a 45 ACP or a 44 mag. (I own both), ya gotta keep pour'n the lead into the perp until he stops his attack. Stop spreading disinformation about the "stopping power" of handguns.
Buck Snort
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I'll bet that was a big disappointment.
Buck Snort
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That's a great article and is a strong endorsement of larger caliber bullets. I'm even beginning to wonder if FMJ flat nosed bullets are superior to JHP's. If penetration is king then multiple wounds with penetrating bullets seems to be the key to victory.
ThePacifist
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Well lets just all agree on one thing. Getting shot by any gun, anywhere on your body hurts.
People talking about stopping power though... I would like to see a man walk and talk after taking a full clip of any caliber to the chest, aside from meth and crackheads, there like roaches they just don't stop!
People talking about stopping power though... I would like to see a man walk and talk after taking a full clip of any caliber to the chest, aside from meth and crackheads, there like roaches they just don't stop!
Anyone remember the name of the cop that had to shoot a criminal 17 times before he went down. The policeman took multiple hits himself before it was over with. I wish I had a link to that one. Oh & the policeman was using a Glock 22 in .40. Handguns are underpowered compared to shotguns & rifles. The only reason we carry them is they are more convenient.
And why would you compare the tragic death of Deputy Dinkheller to a cartoon? You have seen cartoons more graphic than this, a man giving his life in the line of duty, screaming out in the last moments of his life after being shot? While not visually graphic certainly one of the most horrific things I have listened to.
I think the video was worth posting because it addresses the OP. I don't think your comment was necessary, at all.
http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63703
Oh, evidenced by the thread above I am not the only person who found this video highly disturbing.
RIP Deputy
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Actually I dont know if that is even a fact. I was hit with a # 7 pellet from a shotgun in the chest, it went in about 1 inch and never even felt it. I have also seen men in maintenance shops get things shot into their chests and backs and never feel it. They see the blood then investigate.
KodiakBeer
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I once suffered a horrendous amount of trauma (I mean, serious stuff) and didn't feel a thing for hours - 6 or 7 hours later in fact, when I arrived at a hospital was when I first felt any pain and then it was like "Hey you - who's got the morphine? aaaarrrggghhhh"
Fear, rage, trauma, etc, produce endorphins and all kinds of metabolic changes that erase pain, create tunnel vision, make things appear to move in slow motion, etc. I wouldn't count on your angry, frightened assailant giving up just because he catches a handgun bullet though a lung or something.
Fear, rage, trauma, etc, produce endorphins and all kinds of metabolic changes that erase pain, create tunnel vision, make things appear to move in slow motion, etc. I wouldn't count on your angry, frightened assailant giving up just because he catches a handgun bullet though a lung or something.
I've treated patients that have had some serious injures before (GSW, missing appendages, etc) and none of them have ever even asked for morphine while in the ambulance. I'm sure they did later, but they all said they felt little pain, only burning or tingling.
my personal favorite was a man who had cut off his thumb right where it attaches to his hand, 5 minutes into the work day on a band saw. we showed up on scene and he walked out of the shop with the thumb in his other hand. he handed the thumb to me, got in the ambulance without help, or a sound of complaint, and calmly asked to be taken to the hospital. when i asked if he was in any pain he looked at me and said, "well it tickles a little, but i think its going to hurt tomorrow"
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The last GSW I had, we were told it was a gunshot to the head, on the third floor of the projects. we pull up, get our stuff and start heading up the stairs. we were on the second flight when a man with a bright red tee shirt held to his head came running past us toward our ambulance. we turned around, went back down the stairs to find the man was standing by the back door of the truck, waiting for us to let him in. he had been shot in the face, by a .22 or .25. not only was he able to talk, but he could literally run 3 flights of stairs. he had an entrance wound literally right between his eyebrows and and exit by his ear. he was apparently shot at spitting distance by a man standing directly in front of him. he had powder burns on his face and everything. he was stable all the way to the hospital, and i heard that he had been discharged and was home before my shift was over that night.
after that i lost any faith in having a .22 for self defense. i don't think you can get any better shot placement than literally right between the eyes, and this man was not only not "stopped" he was only somewhat inconvenienced by the whole thing.
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surprisingly not. The guy in the projects was crying like a baby. he said he was afraid he was going to die, etc. I cant blame him though, I'd be scared if i was just robbed at gun point, and they said goodbye with a round to the face. But he wasn't in much pain, just a headache he said.
the guy with the thumb, he was more excited about his workers comp and time off right before Mardi Gras than the thought that he might soon be known as johnny nine-fingers. so he might have been a bad ass. but the first guy...not so much.
the guy with the thumb, he was more excited about his workers comp and time off right before Mardi Gras than the thought that he might soon be known as johnny nine-fingers. so he might have been a bad ass. but the first guy...not so much.
Shadow 7D
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MAKE HOLES OF THE CORRISPONDING SIZE
Really what does this add to the discussion? Sides, thought caliber wars where banned?
Really what does this add to the discussion? Sides, thought caliber wars where banned?
ilikepancakes
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Just wondering with all these "shot placement is key" solutions... yes it's obviously important, but if shot placement is the only thing that matters why aren't we all just using .22s? Surely caliber plays some role, yes?
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