HiVelSword
Member
- Joined
- Aug 30, 2009
- Messages
- 31
Oh, my bad. I didn't realize that a .50 BMG could not remove limbs.
What will a 9mm, .40, .45 do to a man?
- Thread starter chinoanoah
- Start date
- Status
Oh, my bad. I didn't realize that a .50 BMG could not remove limbs.
Hatterasguy
Member
- Joined
- Jan 4, 2010
- Messages
- 1,604
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT_C-iJfMe4
This Seal says it best, its all about shot placement.
You may have a .50AE and the Seal "only" a 9mm, but I can guarantee he will put two in your chest and one in your head before you can raise your pistol and you won't care what he hit you with.
This Seal says it best, its all about shot placement.
You may have a .50AE and the Seal "only" a 9mm, but I can guarantee he will put two in your chest and one in your head before you can raise your pistol and you won't care what he hit you with.
RebelRabbi
Member
- Joined
- Jan 22, 2010
- Messages
- 78
Go buy yourself some livestock that weighs approx. 180 lbs and has an average torso depth of 9.4 inches , dress them in clothes and shoot away. Have them smoke some crack before you do this. That's living tissue, with skin, bone, blood. Now, you are going to go to jail for animal cruelty but you'll know. Please don't actually do this.
Seriously, shoot the biggest, most powerful caliber that you can keep in the center of the qualification target at 25 yards, that you can control with strong and weak hand and that you are able to draw and fire two controlled shots in under 3 seconds with consistently.
Seriously, shoot the biggest, most powerful caliber that you can keep in the center of the qualification target at 25 yards, that you can control with strong and weak hand and that you are able to draw and fire two controlled shots in under 3 seconds with consistently.
can it... probably...
will it always? absolutely not.
it will also not turn someone's head into a "red mist" nor will it shoot airplanes out of the air with one shot/ kill school buses full of children instantly/ take the innocence of nuns/ bring about the second coming of the lord or any number of other silly things read about on the interwebs
I know you're j/k, but the 9mm is not subsonic like the .45, and there would be a loud CRACK of the bullet, even with the suppressor. Also, the case diameter of the .45 worked well with the bolt face of the .303 Enfield, and the Brits already had plenty of .45acp ammo and Thompsons. The DeLisle was actually invented and developed by a private individual (named DeLisle), and then presented to the Military for consideration, where it underwent further development. I think there were only 276 originals made, something like that. Not very many, and there's still some in service.
Franco2shoot
Member
Ok, I've trolled through the entire thread and the summary seems to be shot placement is key, caliber is of minor importance. But no one picked up on another key essential for our newbie.
Autoloader versus revolver.
For me, settling on .357 magnum, hollow points out of a snubby is the best combination of stopping power, easy of operation under stress, and effective accuracy(three shots to put one center mass - No problemo). Although my .357 Mag EAA is double action, I like the initial moments of stress being somewhat calmed by pulling the hammer back, finger still outside the trigger guard. These are the features that have relegated the venerable 1911 to the gun case and the .357 to the nitestand even though I'm more accurate with the 1911!
KKKKFL
Autoloader versus revolver.
For me, settling on .357 magnum, hollow points out of a snubby is the best combination of stopping power, easy of operation under stress, and effective accuracy(three shots to put one center mass - No problemo). Although my .357 Mag EAA is double action, I like the initial moments of stress being somewhat calmed by pulling the hammer back, finger still outside the trigger guard. These are the features that have relegated the venerable 1911 to the gun case and the .357 to the nitestand even though I'm more accurate with the 1911!
KKKKFL
While I love revolvers, they just are not taking the place of my Semi-auto's. It brings me comfort knowing I have more than twice the rounds available without a reload. That being said, the .357 Magnum round is one of the best all around defensive loads ever developed. I have just heard so many tales from some officer friends about how inaccurate even trained humans are with handguns when faced with serious stress situations. Thus I stick with high capacity.
For all of you that think the 9mm ,40 S&W and 45 ACP are good, take a step up and thy a 10mm. Once you shoot a 10mm your other guns will be used to practice with. I hav etwo Glock 20 and i have not had a FTF, jam and no malfunctions they will hit what you want easily to 50 yards and more. Get a 10mm in any brand and you will the it. The recoil is about the a same as a 45+P hot load. Enjoy It.
Shadow 7D
Member
Seen a guy shot by a 50, and it will tear an arm off, especially two rounds through the upper arm, not a pretty sight. BUT pump some blood in, resect some intestine, minus a kidney and he was up and walking again in a month. Moral of the story, don't let air defense arty do your perimeter security, cause close only works with the missiles.
MRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRK
Member
Someone isn't going to fall down because of the pressure behind the bullet, at least in a caliber .357MAG and smaller. It is simply shot placement that does the job.
renegade1alpha
Member.
Personally I think you should wait to get your CCW if you are asking questions like that and learn some things about guns and ammo before you embark on something that will get you and some innocent bystanders hurt or killed. If I have offended you or others, oh well. But that's my opinion.
By the way everyone, the answer is shot placement.
By the way everyone, the answer is shot placement.
Last edited:
A gun is a gun, it can kill, a .22 will kill a person. I do not trust .22.u want to know a secret? any gun will stop someone. Any good is really good for ccw. I like higher cap because it gives you more rounds to stop more targets if there is. But I am sure a lot of people will say .45 is better than a 9mm. Any bullet is going knock someone down, they are going to start bleeding.
But if you're talking about dropping someone who is trying to hurt you and this person is high? I would choice more rounds than "fire power rounds" Glock 19(9mm) I would choice rather than a 7 shot Colt .45 Just my IMO
But if you're talking about dropping someone who is trying to hurt you and this person is high? I would choice more rounds than "fire power rounds" Glock 19(9mm) I would choice rather than a 7 shot Colt .45 Just my IMO
MCgunner
Member
I have a hog trap for terminal ballistics trials. I'd ask one of 'em which he liked best, but I've eaten 'em all. Well, there's some in the freezer, but he ain't talkin'. He was hit by a .357 magnum 140 grain JHP in the face, a Speer bullet pushed by 17 grains of 2400. The ballistic pressure wave literally blew his eyeball out of socket. It was pretty impressive. He fell instantly and kicked a few times.
smoothdraw
Member
I used to say go .45. Now 9mm or larger is okay. It is sound tactics, placement/accuracy and speed.
BaylorWasted
Member
- Joined
- Mar 31, 2010
- Messages
- 18
From what I have read on the Internet (not this site), shooting someone with a 9mm 17 times will only anger them and give them added strentgh to continue to attack you. 45 on the other hand, you can miss by 1 foot and still take an arm off.
ccsniper
member
kill em dead if you do your part. Having a 155mm howitzer is useless if you can't hit the target (actually within a 50 meter area of the target in the case of a 155mm
)ccsniper
member
made my night
easyg
Member
Not necessarily.
SEALs miss too you know.
And SEALs are not immune from a pistol malfunction either.
So he might get off one shot before his pistol jams....and he might miss too.
The best shooters that I have ever seen were not Navy SEALs.
Easy
Last edited:
easyg
Member
No, while a .22 is capable of killing a person, that does not mean that it will kill a person.
Not necessarily.
But the real question is: will it quickly stop them before they can do you harm?
Some calibers are much better at quickly stopping a human than other calibers (with equal shot placement).
Again, no.
Some handguns are just too dang big for practical concealed carry, while others were designed for concealed carry.
Again, no.
In fact, I doubt than any handgun round is capable of knocking someone down.
And while a person who has been shot will most likely bleed, that does not mean that they will be stopped or incapacitated.
Shadow 7D
Member
Newton discovered this funny thing called PHYSICS
and wrote some long an boring sentences on the subject
Like every action has a equal and opposite reaction
So, no if someone drops it is a PSYCHOSOMATIC response
ie because their brain tells them to fall over because they have been shot....
As for the .50, it can remove limbs BUT THAT REQUIRES SHOT PLACEMENT, PM me and I will explain it, not just a near miss.
and wrote some long an boring sentences on the subject
Like every action has a equal and opposite reaction
So, no if someone drops it is a PSYCHOSOMATIC response
ie because their brain tells them to fall over because they have been shot....
As for the .50, it can remove limbs BUT THAT REQUIRES SHOT PLACEMENT, PM me and I will explain it, not just a near miss.
- Status