What will a 9mm, .40, .45 do to a man?

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Shot Placement + Penetration. Pick any caliber that penetrates adequately that you can shoot well enough to hit center of mass with on a target that might be moving.
 
^ I wanted to add bulled design, round nose FMJ suck as a defensive round.
Flat nose FMJ/hardcast or hollow points + Shot Placement + Penetration
 
I just can't wait for this thread to be closed...and restarted by someone in less than 24 hours. Haha...someone should just let one of these fruitless arguments run for ten or so pages then sticky it as what not to post. ;-)
 
I was waiting for the person who just paste a but load of links of the previously closed threads
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Say what now? ;-)

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=45350&highlight=favorite+caliber

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=35909&highlight=favorite+caliber

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=97847&highlight=favorite+caliber

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=124298&highlight=favorite+caliber

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=135047&highlight=favorite+caliber

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=6115&highlight=stopping+power

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=24871&highlight=stopping+power

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=34937&highlight=stopping+power

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=33989&highlight=stopping+power

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=32186&highlight=stopping+power

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=45350&highlight=stopping+power

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=44117&highlight=stopping+power

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=2595&highlight=stopping+power

And there were literally hundreds more...guess what. I didn't see a single one that came to the "this caliber is best" conclusion. Haha. What's the best caliber? The largest that you can shoot accurately under stress and the one that is small enough that you have enough capacity for your personal needs. Either way...if you're looking at shooting more than 20 rounds IMHO you'd better be using that handgun to fight your way back to a real gun. ;-)
 
Extremeshockusa.com should actually publish a chart explaining the incredible damage their ammo does compared to regular ammo.

I imagine that an ES .22lr would cause a permanent wound cavity equivalent to a .40s&w. A .380acp would be equal to a .50ae, and something like a .45acp would cause as much damage a 5" gun on a battleship.
 
Any of those calibers can kill a man if put in the right spot and any of those calibers can be ineffecual if put in the wrong spot. If you want to knock somebody down, use a baseball bat or better yet, your car.
 
:scrutiny::scrutiny::scrutiny:

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hahahahahahah!:neener:

They couldn't find three guys for the picture. So they used the same guy twice, then painted him black to be the guy on the right. Hahaha.

These guys HAVE to be related to Vulcan Arms! (the arsenal of freedom LOL)
 
Just wondering with all these "shot placement is key" solutions... yes it's obviously important, but if shot placement is the only thing that matters why aren't we all just using .22s? Surely caliber plays some role, yes?
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Yes, it does play some role.

If you want to compare a service pistol caliber to a rimfire or a magnum pistol caliber to a pocket pistol caliber or a shotgun to a pistol then caliber plays a significant role.

Trying to prove conclusively that one handgun caliber from a general class is superior to other calibers in the same general class in terms of terminal performance is very difficult.

As Special Agent Urey points out in the FBI document quoted/linked several times on this thread, if a bullet destroys 2 ounces of tissue as it passes through a human body (a fairly typical number), that amounts to a tiny fraction of 1 percent of the person's total weight. Trying to make the case that a round that destroys 2.1 ounces is significantly more effective than one that destroys only 1.7 ounces is ludicrous.

It's obvious that what's important is WHICH 2 ounces you destroy that's important. It's virtually irrelevant whether you destroy 1 ounce vs. 3 ounces of the attacker. If you hit a critical portion of the attacker then 1 ounce of destruction will do the trick. If you hit an unimportant portion of the attacker then even 5 or 6 ounces won't keep him from killing you.
 
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Mossad made the silenced .22 caliber pistol the fear of all enemies. And I don't think that many will argue that the Mossad is an underpowered organization. ;-)
 
to answer the root ?? each will kill a man...depending on the intent and accuracy of the shooter.
 
Yeah, the Mossad also had the nasty habit of popping out of no where and putting two in the back of the aforementioned head, hell the US and brits made a slilenced enfeild?? in .45 for taking out dogs in WWII.

Still the point is, that the answer to this thread is make holes of the corresponding size.
 
Yeah, the Mossad also had the nasty habit of popping out of no where and putting two in the back of the aforementioned head, hell the US and brits made a slilenced enfeild?? in .45 for taking out dogs in WWII.
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Dogs? How about German and Jap sentries? It was the Brits, the US wasn't involved. Called the DeLisle Carbine, and I want one! Enfield No.4 rifle action, Thompson SMG barrel, Colt M1911 magazines, in subsonic .45 acp with a built-in suppressor, one of the best ever designed. Valkyrie Arms is making fully functional reproductions.

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^^^^^ Ohhhh now that's just pretty. Finally, something in 6 pages worth of postings that's awesome! ;-)

However, I personally think they should have gone with 9mm instead of .45 to increase the capacity. j/k
 
Great book for info on this--

I just got my copy of Handgun Stopping Power (A Definitive Study) by Evan Marshall and Edwin Sanow. Ordered new from Amazon.com.

This is a really interesting book that discusses real world handgun shootings. They cover weapons from .22 to .45 and most anything in between using many different types of ammo.

Book was published in 1992 so it doesn't have the very latest in ammo types but it covers everything from FMJ to lead wadcutters to Glaser & MagSafe to Silvertips and Hydro-Shoks. A really interesting round I hadn't heard of was the PMC Ultramag. I don't know if it's still available.

I don't hesitate to recommend the book. Lotsa info and actually quite entertaining to read.
 
anyone see that 600 nitro express revolver on the internet. the thing is huge. if that dont knock down a man not much out there that will.
 
"And depending on what part of the body it hits, it could leave a .5 in pinhole he wouldn't even feel immediately. Energy is irrelevant, especially when there is so much that almost none of it is actually transferred to the target.

There have been MANY soldiers, friendly and enemy, who have been wounded by .50 BMG rounds that survived. Ask the Viet Cong."

So a round that would pretty much turn your head into a fine red mist is somehow going to cause a superficial wound if it "just goes through the meat"? Please.

And which Viet Cong should I ask? The ones with a missing arm or a missing leg?
 
Look we all know it's not about shot placement but stopping power and the "I've got a huge round!" factor. Real men shoot and concealed carry .50BMG. Again, I've got a killer ankle holster for mine. ;-)

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http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/airborne_combat_engineer/2005/01/the_maadi_griff.html
 
{QUOTE}"There was a story on THR not too long ago about someone surviving a .45ACP shot to the head. Bottom line, if you think any handgun round by itself is a "man stopper", you are severely misguided. If you shoot a man with a .45 ACP, he might go down. He might not."{QUOTE}

There was a story on AMW a while back. Guy shot his GF/fiance/wife, whatever, with a 44mag in the head at point blank range. She survived with minimal brain damage. Of course she required a ton of plastic surgery but she played possum and called 911 when the guy got in his vehicle and left.
 
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