What will a 9mm, .40, .45 do to a man?

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As I think more and more seriously about getting my CCW and an XD, I am thinking what size of a pistol to actually get. The higher capacity of a 9mm is great and all, but a real defensive situation will probably come down to few shots.

Will a 9mm knock someone down? Will a .45?

What effects would these rounds have on an attacker?
 
And here we have a new version of 9mm v .45 ACP.

Welcome to THR, Chinoanoah.

May your experience here be informative, grasshoppa.

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FORGET KNOCK DOWN POWER, its all bs as far as handguns are concerned IMHO.
There was a shooting next door to where I used to work. A lady took 5 357 magnum hits and still lived long enough to 1. call the police 2 call a friend and didn't die until reaching a hospital by helicopter about 150 miles away. Aim carefully with what you can shoot accurately.
 
.50BMG isn't guaranteed to knock a man down.

shot placement is the most critical factor
penetration is the second most crtical factor
wound cavity volume almost doesn't rate relative to the first two.
 
NEEWWW GUUUYYY, hahaha, jk, welcome to the wonderful THR!! I say just tape some plastic explosives to ur chest and threaten to detonate if the attacker comes any closer, how's that for "knock-down" power? lol, have heard the 10mil is excellent (havent shot myself, but I like the 9mil) but has some recoil behind it
 
A .45 ACP will knock a man down typically with one shot. There's a reason it's called a man stopper. His initial momentum may carry him forward a couple of steps, but he's going down. It's slow velocity and heavy weight is the key; if you are using jacketed hollow points it will dump more energy with more immediate affects than a FMJ round and would be better suited for close quarters self defense. If you shoot a man with a .45 ACP with a single round he's gonna go down. Keep in mind it's not going to be like a Hollywood movie where he goes flying in the air, but he's not going to keep coming at you. The only exception would be if the person is wearing body armor; even at that the energy dumped in to him is going to drastically slow him down.
 
Will a 9mm knock someone down? Will a .45?
Absolutely not.

If you can hold it and shoot it then it's not going to knock someone down on the other end either.

I've seen video of a crash test dummy (size and weight of an adult male) being shot at point blank range with a .50 BMG rifle. There was a steel armor plate in the dummy's chest so it absorbed the entire force of the bullet--there was no pass through. The dummy was dislodged off its supports and fell more or less straight down.

http://www.therallypoint.org/forum/index.php?topic=6290.0

If a person goes down immediately as a result of a hit with a handgun it's because their central nervous system (brain or upper spinal cord) was damaged significantly or because the person had a psychological predisposition to fall down when shot.

By the way, prior to the test with the .50 BMG they did some testing with handgun rounds and a pig carcass. Only the 12ga shotgun was able to dislodge the carcass from the supports and even that didn't knock it backwards--it just bumped it enough to let it fall down. At one point there were several people shooting at the carcass simultaneously--one using a fully automatic Thompson subgun in .45ACP. It didn't even fall off the supports and it certainly wasn't knocked backwards to any measurable extent.

As a control for the experiment they made sure that the carcass could be easily dislodged by a thrown baseball.
 
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A bullet won't "physically" knock a guy down unless the bullet strikes the head or spine. In most cases, the persons reaction to realizing they've been shot is what will "knock them down".
 
Will a 9mm knock someone down? Will a .45?

There are only 3 physical methods a person shot is incapacitated and they are skeletal destruction, nervous system disruption and circulatory system depletion (loss of blood).

No handgun has the power to physically knock someone down simply due to bullet impact, however how someone reacts to being shot has a lot of variables. The simple fact that the recoil from the bullet being sent down range doesn't "knock" down the shooter is a good indication that there just isn't enough force to physically knock down a stable human target. Remember the simple Newtonian physics principal that for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction.

A few people I've know who have been actually shot, mostly combat veterans, say it feels like someone slugged you and while being slugged may knock you over in some situations its not likely most of the time.

How a person reacts to being shot is often from their training or desire to seek cover. What happens to them physically is from the hole being made in them along with skeletal, nervous system, and circulatory system damage caused by the bullet. Psychological reaction also plays a major role in how an individual reacts.

A well placed handgun bullet of any caliber will end someones life as immediately as can be but in most shootings, self defense or not, bullets are not that often well placed.

If one simply looks at self defense situations the chance you will ever need a firearm to defend yourself is relatively small unless you are in a high risk category like police, military, criminal, drug user, night clerk at a convenience store, etc. Secondly most self defense situations are resolved without the gun being drawn or even fired and of the few times it is fired generally no one is hit and of those times no one generally dies. However you do need to have a gun to be able to use it for self defense whether fired or not.
 
A bullet won't "physically" knock a guy down unless the bullet strikes the head or spine. In most cases, the persons reaction to realizing they've been shot is what will "knock them down"

Yea, you took the words I was putting together to reply as i was reading down right out of my mouth. lol. i always see it as the shock that you've just been shot and the thought that you should fall down... then again, i have never been shot...

Anyone here on THR ever been shot by any of these calibers? that's where the facts are... lol.
 
What will 9mm, .40, and .45 do to a man? It will kill him. You can't go wrong with any of the big three.
 
Shot placement counts. A .45 ACP pistol is statistically speaking one of the best one-shot man stoppers on you can get. I don't own one but I have some .357 magnums that I believe are at least as effective, and one of these days I may get a .45 ACP...after I get a 10mm.

To Lysol: Sorry, but I've never been shot with anything stronger than a BB gun. It hurt but no damage done.
 
The higher capacity of a 9mm is great and all, but a real defensive situation will probably come down to few shots.

A new guy, with some uncommon insight. You are correct about this. A number of good, comprehensive studies from several LE agencies (FBI, large metro police departments), show the average shootings involve less than 3 rounds - whether auto or revolver, cop or civilian. Lesson - the 5-shot .38 special in your pocket is a great alternative to the big 15-shot auto you find too big or inconvenient to carry consistently.
 
A .45 ACP will knock a man down typically with one shot. There's a reason it's called a man stopper. His initial momentum may carry him forward a couple of steps, but he's going down. It's slow velocity and heavy weight is the key; if you are using jacketed hollow points it will dump more energy with more immediate affects than a FMJ round and would be better suited for close quarters self defense. If you shoot a man with a .45 ACP with a single round he's gonna go down. Keep in mind it's not going to be like a Hollywood movie where he goes flying in the air, but he's not going to keep coming at you. The only exception would be if the person is wearing body armor; even at that the energy dumped in to him is going to drastically slow him down.
You really need to educate yourself before making such asinine statements.
 
Really, Reaper? That was graphic? I've seen cartoons more graphic than that. The first one didn't even show anyone getting shot.
 
Ok, maybe the second one could be considered graphic. But I've seen that before. It was even discussed on here once I think. Just goes to show what happens when you don't act when you need to.
 
negligentdischarge.com has some good info of the sort you might be looking for. No, none of the calibers will knock a man down. Shot placement, bullet path inside a body and the persons physical and mental factors all play into it. If you have to shoot, keep shooting until the threat goes down. Any of the listed calibers will work just if fine, if you do!
 
A .45 ACP will knock a man down typically with one shot. There's a reason it's called a man stopper. His initial momentum may carry him forward a couple of steps, but he's going down. It's slow velocity and heavy weight is the key; if you are using jacketed hollow points it will dump more energy with more immediate affects than a FMJ round and would be better suited for close quarters self defense. If you shoot a man with a .45 ACP with a single round he's gonna go down. Keep in mind it's not going to be like a Hollywood movie where he goes flying in the air, but he's not going to keep coming at you. The only exception would be if the person is wearing body armor; even at that the energy dumped in to him is going to drastically slow him down.

There isn't much in that statement that is correct. No handgun round is called a "man stopper", at least not by anyone who understands terminal ballistics. There are countless stories of people continuing attacks after being shot with 9mm, .40SW and .45ACP. There was a story on THR not too long ago about someone surviving a .45ACP shot to the head. Bottom line, if you think any handgun round by itself is a "man stopper", you are severely misguided. If you shoot a man with a .45 ACP, he might go down. He might not.
 
If you can hold it and shoot it then it's not going to knock someone down on the other end either.

Yep. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The felt recoil is equal to that of the impact to the subject, less the energy dissipated by the mass of the weapon; the target just gets the smaller surface area of the projectile to dissipate it.

As for the .45 "knocking men down", that is not at all my experience. I have shot lots of pigs in traps w/ a .45, anything short of a perfect behind the ear shot has them tearing the traps apart while wounded, seamingly unharmed. They are fairly decent human analogues, similar in size.

Back to the OP, In real life shootings, there is very little difference between the 9, 40 & 45 in effectiveness. Buy what you shoot the best, load it with premium ammo, and shoot the snot out of it.
 
What will a 9mm, .40, .45 do to a man?

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As I think more and more seriously about getting my CCW and an XD, I am thinking what size of a pistol to actually get. The higher capacity of a 9mm is great and all, but a real defensive situation will probably come down to few shots.

Will a 9mm knock someone down? Will a .45?

What effects would these rounds have on an attacker?


First of all, don't count on a handgun round knocking someone down all by itself. It doesn't happen, even with high powered rifle rounds. As already mentioned above, central nervous system damage, skeletal structure damage, blood loss and psychological reaction are what causes people to fall. High powered rifle rounds are much more reliable in this respect because they are either traveling significantly faster, have a much heavier bullet, or both. High powered rifle rounds are simply more reliable at physical destruction than handgun rounds.

The .40 S&W is approximately 5/100th of an inch wider than a 9mm. The 45 ACP is approx. 5/100th of an inch wider than the .40 and approx. 10/100ths wider than the 9mm. The slightly wider bullet will crush slightly more tissue along the bullets path (the crush cavity) given the same amount of penetration. People who carry the bigger heavier bullets figure that this will give them an edge albeit a small one. The key ingredient in handgun bullet performance though is penetration so a bullet's sectional density has to always be a consideration along with construction and velocity.

Training, mindset, preparation and having a gun with you when things go bad are much more important than the 9mm vs 40 vs 45 vs .357 vs 10mm debates. Choose the gun and ammo that you feel most comfortable with and most importantly, practice, train and carry a gun with you so that you'll be prepared.

The average number of shots fired in "ARMED CITIZEN" self defense encounters are two to three rounds, but remember, that's the average. The range is anywhere from zero to 10+ rounds. If just pulling your gun would cause your armed assailants to flee with no shots fired (happened with me three times) then that would be ideal. On the other hand suppose you cross paths with one of those guys who's high on drugs or zeal or both, just killed his family and two cops and is a career/repeat felon/fugitive who has nothing to lose. There're plenty of them out there it's just that the police usually get to deal with them first
 
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