Colorado Senator to Join Magpul in Abandoning the State if Gun Control Passes

If it passes, I will be unhappy, but I will stay here.

It's easy to talk about moving, but when I look at the challenge of finding a new job, selling my house, uprooting my immediate family, leaving my friends and other family, and basically turning my life upside down, what choice do I really have.

It's easy to bluster on about moving, but if you think for a minute that all those people that work for Magpul are going to head home and pack their bags, you're delusional. Sure, some will. Many, if not most, won't. Disagree with me or whatever you want, but this is my home. I don't like everything about it, but I am not leaving it. If I have to cache guns or break a law to defend my family I will cross that bridge when I get to it, but we aren't leaving, and that's that.

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That is exactly the attitude the government counts on.

When I left the service I was up in Wyoming and had a solid job offer in Colorado but I could see the way Colorado was going California blue. Frankly, I thought it would happen sooner.

That is exactly the attitude the government counts on.

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No, it's not. They would like nothing more than for us red-blooded, freedom loving Americans to jump ship so that they can erect their construct with minimal interference.

They are still a long, LONG way from having a majority population in this state that will accept the progressive manifesto. We've tipped left the last couple elections, but as I've said elsewhere, there are contributing factors that led to these Democrat victories; it's not necessarily a solid change. I expect they're going to find that out in 2014 & 2016. Coloradoans just didn't feel that RKBA was threatened, especially after what Hickenlooper publicly stated in the wake of the Aurora tragedy. I'll admit, even I was somewhat assuaged (and surprised) by his seemingly genuine comments. It was strategic. That is clear now.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice..........uh, yeah, not gonna happen.

Colorado gun owners are on fire now. There will be no placating after this.

Nevada would welcome them with open arms!

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Do they really want to move to another once red state that is slowly turning blue? I'd look for a place that was very pro business and very pro gun. Utah would offer them a similar setting in terms of mountains and the like and is about as pro gun as it gets, pretty pro business and rather conservative. It has republican super majorities in both houses and a republican governor. It is also pretty close. I don't know what Magpul is looking for. However, sadly Nevada is drifting left just like CO.

It's easy to bluster on about moving, but if you think for a minute that all those people that work for Magpul are going to head home and pack their bags, you're delusional.

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Magpul can take or leave a good chunk of their 600 people. Other states don't want that and CO wouldn't miss them that much. What CO doesn't want is a big chunk of 600 unemployed people. What CO will miss is the tax base of the company and that is what any other state will be happy to have, along with any new jobs they provide.

At the end of the day CO will keep on going. It will be a slow steady death until they mismanage themselves into being like CA et al and people with the means really do start flooding out of there.

That said, good by magpul to leave and refuse to be a part of such nonsense anymore. I've long thought some gun makers should pull out of the north east and take their jobs and revenue to the places that actually support them. I magpul would take the next step of not selling to CO govt. agencies as well.

It makes me happy to own so much magpul stuff and resolved to buy more.

It will be interesting to see what magpul announces in the near future if this goes through the senate. According to their face book posts they already have plans to move Pmag production rapidly if it passes.

It's easy to talk about moving, but when I look at the challenge of finding a new job, selling my house, uprooting my immediate family, leaving my friends and other family, and basically turning my life upside down, what choice do I really have.

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We do it in the military all the time. Granted we don't have to worry about finding a new job unless you or your spouse is non-military civilian but the rest of this is an old hat to us. No, not really any fun but you can do it.

Idaho would be a good fit for Magpul as well as Utah.

I've been through Kansas many times. I've seen both trees and the hill

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I read that and nearly fell over laughing. I did some concrete work up in Colby and when you are used to seeing the Ozark mountains, you begin praying to God to see anything other than corn.

Grunt said:

We do it in the military all the time. Granted we don't have to worry about finding a new job unless you or your spouse is non-military civilian but the rest of this is an old hat to us. No, not really any fun but you can do it.

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This.

I have never understood how so many people see relocating a family for a new job as some sort of impossible or insanely difficult task physically, emotionally, or financially.

It is actually quite easy, all things considered.

We do it in the military all the time. Granted we don't have to worry about finding a new job unless you or your spouse is non-military civilian but the rest of this is an old hat to us. No, not really any fun but you can do it.

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yea. did that as a kid...
Hawai'i -> Missouri -> Massachusetts -> Alabama -> New Jersey
that last one was a killer, being just in my teens, coming to a "Yankee" state with a massive southern drawl and an unfathomable (to everyone else) love for plaid and flannel.
Moving is rough on the adults, but it's tougher on the kids, especially if they're coming of age.

the problem with "voting with your feet" is, you need a LARGE number of people to do it all at once. unless you could get 10,000 familes to all in a single day uproot and leave, politicos will never notice.

what we all REALLY need is a non-firearms business of some note to join the cause and deny sales to local/state/federal enforcement offices.

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Think I would rather my representatives stay and fight this legislation than facetiously talk about leaving to another state...

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Lemme guess, if the ban passes too, it's 100% his fault??? Just as ridiculous as your message.

This.

I have never understood how so many people see relocating a family for a new job as some sort of impossible or insanely difficult task physically, emotionally, or financially.

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I'll just say when I worked with a lot of military folks, plenty of them complained about moving too. I also saw the very real toll it took on some of their families. I have a number of friends who grew up in military families who have told me how it was very hard for them as children to be moving all the time. I have also seen the exact opposite, those who rather enjoy it.

I think its safe to say that different people approach it differently and have different views. depending on your wants desires and particular situation it can be hard thing. I do not think it is fair to tell someone else how they should feel about it.

When I left the service I was up in Wyoming and had a solid job offer in Colorado but I could see the way Colorado was going California blue. Frankly, I thought it would happen sooner.

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This. I had been working towards moving back to Colorado since the early 80s. When I finally got the gumption to flee a really blue state 10 years ago, Colorado had already been California, so I moved elsewhere. Worse winters, no mountains to speak of, but a free state and likely to stay that way, at least for my lifetime. Not sure where my kids are going to have to flee to though.

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No, it's not. They would like nothing more than for us red-blooded, freedom loving Americans to jump ship so that they can erect their construct with minimal interference.

They are still a long, LONG way from having a majority population in this state that will accept the progressive manifesto. We've tipped left the last couple elections, but as I've said elsewhere, there are contributing factors that led to these Democrat victories; it's not necessarily a solid change. I expect they're going to find that out in 2014 & 2016. Coloradoans just didn't feel that RKBA was threatened, especially after what Hickenlooper publicly stated in the wake of the Aurora tragedy. I'll admit, even I was somewhat assuaged (and surprised) by his seemingly genuine comments. It was strategic. That is clear now.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice..........uh, yeah, not gonna happen.

Colorado gun owners are on fire now. There will be no placating after this.

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I hope for the sake of the good folks that work for Magpul, they do stay and effect legislative change in the next election cycle. Which is only next year. If this does pass, yes it will not bode well for the time it is effective. But you never know what may happen, it could get repealed. I would suggest that Magpul stay, do not sell to CO LEO etc and start a non-profit PAC and begin a grassroots effort to oust everyone one of those poli's that voted for the bill. I would even allow people to "round up" when they buy from Magpul to donate to the PAC.

Oh, I'm not saying that moving every time was a pleasant experience with trying to find out what you have will fit where in the new house and of course there was always the fun game of "what will the movers destroy this time" with every move that came along. But the thing is that while moving isn't pleasant, staying where your kind isn't welcome is far more unpleasant! I think the residents of the People's Republic of Colorado will have to ask themseleves "which is the worse of two evils and which one is the better option for me."

I hope for the sake of the good folks that work for Magpul, they do stay and effect legislative change in the next election cycle. Which is only next year. If this does pass, yes it will not bode well for the time it is effective. But you never know what may happen, it could get repealed. I would suggest that Magpul stay, do not sell to CO LEO etc and start a non-profit PAC and begin a grassroots effort to oust everyone one of those poli's that voted for the bill. I would even allow people to "round up" when they buy from Magpul to donate to the PAC.

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Not gonna happen. The gauntlet has been cast and now it becomes an integrity issue. If the laws are passed in the senate and the govonor signs off on it, Magpul has no other choice but to leave or shut their doors for good. If they move to a free state, many of their customers will see this as a sign of resolve and be far more willing to buy their products. If however they stay, in fact going back on their word, well, who wants to buy anything from a double-talking con man? Nope, they have no choice but to follow through on their promise of leaving should these bills become law or they will be shutting their doors for good inside of a year! Personally though, I have no doubt about their integrity and fully believe that they will move if these laws are passed.

I'd rather stay here and drive the Liberals back to California.

They should move out here to California...


Mauserguy

Kinda like moving from Auchwitz to Dachau, ain't it? Scenery may change but the level of suffering stays the same.

I would suggest that Magpul stay, do not sell to CO LEO

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I think they should refuse to sell to LEAs that supported this crapola, but our sheriffs were squarely in our corner and fought these bills furiously right along side us. I'd rather they continue to sell to the sheriffs, and tell the police chiefs to pound sand.

No, I wasn't serious, though the truth is that we need companies to move here. California is dieing.

There is no growth here. The state government is continuing down the path of economic destruction. We're building a high speed rail from a desert to a garlic festival, wasting billions, knowing that the project will never actually be completed.

Our demographics are rapidly becoming third world, with English being replaced by Spanish in large cities. Yes, we need companies like Magpull to move here, but it will just never make sense for them. We need help!
Mauserguy

But until the people have had a chance to oust the enemies and fail to do so, we're going to stay and fight.

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You have had a few elections, yet nothing has changed.........

Our demographics are rapidly becoming third world, with English being replaced by Spanish in large cities. Yes, we need companies like Magpull to move here, but it will just never make sense for them. We need help!
Mauserguy

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The problem is those folks move out to NV, CO and other places, to escape what they turned their state into, then want to do it again in their new state - look at St. George, UT.

One thing to beware - these folks VOTE (early and often ) and always get involved until they screw it up, then they want to move on

I have always wondered why folks in these places allow them in there in the first place? Now I know with equal housing laws, discrimination against religion, sex, race, etc. are a big time no-go, and it should be. However, the last I knew, not renting a house to someone based on their political views was not covered under that law. "Hey, Alan Keyes, you want to rent a place here? No problem at all." "Hey, tofu-munching hippie with the Obama t-shirt on, how about you get back in your car, turn around and go back to wherever it is you came from. Get off my property!!!!" "Hey, Senator Ted Cruz, welcome to my resurant! I'll be happy to take your order." "Hey, Micheal Moore, get your whale carcass out of my resurant right freakin' now and don't ever come back!!!" I would think after a while, liberals would maybe get the hint that they are not welcomed in your community.

Hey, tofu-munching hippie with the Obama t-shirt on, how about you get back in your car, turn around and go back to wherever it is you came from. Get off my property!!!!"

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Unfortunately, it's more like, "Hey, engineer-man who just moved to town to work for Big Company Corporation that employs a lot of highly skilled people who may have come from around the country (but do not necessarily share any political view), umm, hi? Nice Subaru you've got there.