Colorado Gun Control - Standard Capacity Magazines, Private Sales proposed bans

Coltdriver · Mar 11, 2013

So the last remaining hope on the mag ban is that Hickenlooper won't sign it because it will cause a large hit to the economy.

And that hit to the economy is a direct hit to the 300 or so people who will no longer have a job and their families. So its like making about 3000 people (between friends, family and suppliers) really angry. Don't know if it helps in 2014 or not.

I don't know yet what the potential political fallout will be. It is bewildering to be criminalized while absolutely nothing is done to prevent the mass shootings they are riding as their cause. The impact of this nonsense will not be fully understood for a good long while.

I am going to work to get the change put in place politically. RMGO is a great group that will be able to get enough boots on the ground to make a good concerted effort.

We will also work the Constitutional amendment angle. It can be put on a ballot pretty easily, getting it passed is another hurdle.

CmdrSlander · Mar 11, 2013

Coltdriver said:
So the last remaining hope on the mag ban is that Hickenlooper won't sign it because it will cause a large hit to the economy.

And that hit to the economy is a direct hit to the 300 or so people who will no longer have a job and their families. So its like making about 3000 people (between friends, family and suppliers) really angry. Don't know if it helps in 2014 or not.

I don't know yet what the potential political fallout will be. It is bewildering to be criminalized while absolutely nothing is done to prevent the mass shootings they are riding as their cause. The impact of this nonsense will not be fully understood for a good long while.

I am going to work to get the change put in place politically. RMGO is a great group that will be able to get enough boots on the ground to make a good concerted effort.

We will also work the Constitutional amendment angle. It can be put on a ballot pretty easily, getting it passed is another hurdle.

Basically this, but with 3D printed mags :neener:

mrvco · Mar 11, 2013

CmdrSlander said:
They are datestamped.

USGI mags have date coded NSNs

basically if you want untraceble mags go with crappy ones that aren't used by any major agency to avoid NSNs and datestamps. Replace the follower and springs, of say, a Syntec mag and you will have a good mag.

Although, if I was magpul, I would stop datestamping them.

None of my 15+ round Glock or Sig mags have date stamps or serial numbers that I can find.

Fishslayer · Mar 11, 2013

Trung Si said:
God Bless Texas, I hope it doesn't happen Here.

Ummm... I've been hearing things about Austin... :uhoh:

CmdrSlander · Mar 11, 2013

mrvco said:
None of my 15+ round Glock or Sig mags have date stamps or serial numbers that I can find.

Most pistol mags don't, though a .mil M9 mag would at least have a NSN that gives a rough range.

The main reason Magpul does it is so that they can say "all mags made in October 2011 have a defect, please return them for replacement/repair" - its a quality control thing unique to national stock suppliers, such as Magpul.

Consider yourself lucky, the more unmarked mags the better, as they can be dealt in freely, illegally, but with no chance of prosecution, more or less freely.

ETA: this is a pmag datestamp:

The center is the last two digits of the year and the arrow points to the month.

jerkface11 · Mar 11, 2013

It is not democracy, it is not self government when the Federal Government (via the POTUS and thus the executive branch) effectively orders senators to vote for the bill.

It's almost like we shouldn't vote for members of the party that listens to him. Of course I wouldn't say that as it apparently isn't high road.

DAP90 · Mar 11, 2013

Instead of waiting for 2014 what we need to do is start a recall election for every politician who voted for these bills. Colorado has a set of rules for recall elections that can be started by any citizen. The rules aren’t terrible difficult but it would take a group with some organization and size. If such a group steps up I promise my boots on the ground wherever they need me.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Laws_governing_recall_in_Colorado

Arbo · Mar 11, 2013

Prince Yamato said:
How exactly will hey determine if your Magpul mag is grandfathered or not?

They can't thats why 1224 is 100% unenforceable... the problem is, they can claim it's not a grandfathered mag and run you broke through the court system.

Just like the private sales stuff is unenforceable since there is not a registration, who are they to say who had what gun?

martymcfly · Mar 11, 2013

time buy some more new mags before they become illegal to purchase. I think we have until July in CO. Got some new pmags on order, hopefully they ship soon and already for my 10 from the Magpul CO program.

Time to get some more 10/22 25 rounders and xdm 19 rounders.

CmdrSlander · Mar 11, 2013

martymcfly said:
time buy some more new mags before they become illegal to purchase. I think we have until July in CO. Got some new pmags on order, hopefully they ship soon and already for my 10 from the Magpul CO program.

Time to get some more 10/22 25 rounders and xdm 19 rounders.

I advise you to act like this law doesn't exist. Unenforceable laws such as this work only if the law abiding populace lives up to their name. Come to Kansas and load up on mags every time you get the chance for the rest of your time as a Co resident.

In the words of Charles Dickens... "the law's an ass!"

mrvco · Mar 11, 2013

tomrkba said:
Wow. I'm not sure what's worse: that the Democrats that passed this law or the fact that you're going to just take it.

Ah no... we aren't "just going to take it". The fight goes on... next in the house since the bills were amended in the senate, then with the Governor and then in 2014 and 2016.

In the meantime I have a healthy stock of 30-round, pre-ban AR and AK mags as well as 15+ round pistol mags. I'm pretty sure that there will be a healthy market for pre-ban mags in the border states.

Worst case... we'll be at the Wyoming border with "Will Trade Weed for Pre-ban Mags" cardboard signs :neener:

CmdrSlander · Mar 11, 2013

mrvco said:
Ah no... we aren't "just going to take it". The fight goes on... next in the house since the bills were amended in the senate, then with the Governor and then in 2014 and 2016.

In the meantime I have a healthy stock of 30-round, pre-ban AR and AK mags as well as 15+ round pistol mags. I'm pretty sure that there will be a healthy market for pre-ban mags in the border states.

Worst case... we'll be at the Wyoming border with "Will Trade Weed for Pre-ban Mags" cardboard signs

Gtscotty · Mar 11, 2013

That is classic.

Beaux Nehr · Mar 11, 2013

Wow. I'm not sure what's worse: that the Democrats that passed this law or the fact that you're going to just take it.

Oh quit your chest beating.

Not you or anyone else on this board is going to take up arms over mag capacity legislation.

cfullgraf · Mar 11, 2013

CmdrSlander said:
They are datestamped.

USGI mags have date coded NSNs

Pre-AWB-94 magazines do not have a date stamp. I have a few.

Larry Ashcraft · Mar 11, 2013

Wow. I'm not sure what's worse: that the Democrats that passed this law or the fact that you're going to just take it.

And your clairvoyance comes from where?

MBaneACP · Mar 11, 2013

We aren't just going to take it...the fight goes on. My Sweetie and I are committed to stay in Colorado until the 2014 elections, were we hope to take the fight to the enemy. We can live anywhere we want, and if we are not able to restore freedom in 2014, to hell with this place.

Something I might want to suggest to Colorado residents. my Sweetie and I have moved ALL our guns and accessories, including standard capacity magazines, into a Gun Trust similar to an NFA Gun Trust (in fact, we're working with one of the national experts on gun trusts on this). There are VERY REAL REASONS why this makes sense, especially with standard capacity magazines that you might want to share with family members (3-Gun shooters TAKE NOTE!).

If the moderators will let me, I'll be happy to go into more detail. My legal contacts say the trust needs to be established BEFORE the 1 July deadline on the laws' implementation.

I honestly thought we had the votes on the mag capacity ban. Please, support the Colorado hunting, fishing and outdoor boycott...these laws are so poorly written that if you are a hunter or anyone else coming into Colorado with a firearm, YOU ARE AT SERIOUS RISK OF ARREST! We have multiple legal opinions on how dangerous these laws are for law-abiding citizens.

IT IS NOT WORTH THE RISK TO VISIT COLORADO WITH A FIREARM!

Michael B

JRH6856 · Mar 11, 2013

The maps are interesting...and then there is Vermont. Votewise, bluer than most, gunwise, freeer than most.

X-Rap · Mar 11, 2013

I don't know about NSN date requirements but if there are some they coincide closely with the original Clinton ban. I have quite a few from pre and post and the post are all dated. This is regarding AR/M16 mags.

kcgunesq · Mar 11, 2013

CmdrSlander said:
Come to Kansas, seriously, your best bet is to get as deep into the heartland as possible and with no tourism/resort culture to attract anti-gun voters and no immigration to speak of (legal immigration is fine but immigrants tend to vote for disarmament, so avoid states they permeate if you value the 2A) Kansas will be among the last to fall. I advise you to visit http://www.opkansas.org/ and really consider the community.

KS?

JOCO?

Just go about 3 feet further east to Missouri where many of our Democrats are stronger gun right proponents than many KS republicans! Then again, if you really want a lack of tourism, KS might be the better choice! :neener:

As an aside, Mo's CCW law is much more liberal.

Either way, we'd love to have you in the KCMO area!

Ohio Gun Guy · Mar 11, 2013

They leave because the messed up CA (KA) and then start voting and make is the same <...> place they left.

breakingcontact · Mar 11, 2013

Sorry for all the quotes, a lot of things to be responded to/acknowledged here.

When the 51% strips the rights away of the 49% I see that as a failure of our republic.

This is precisely the issue. Our Constitution/Bill of Rights are supposed to protect us from the masses, but when the courts no longer protect those rights, we are thrown to those who believe "their ignorance is better than our knowledge."

Fortunately in Texas we have state preemption over our goofy cities. (I believe that's the correct term.)

I completely believe it has happened, but another part of me cannot believe it has happened. At one point I considered Colorado a viable option for a state to move to. Not anymore

I completely loved the Weminuche Wilderness, but my dreams of moving to Colorado are now vanquished. Perhaps northern New Mexico? I seriously looked at the Colorado Springs area as well, but no longer.

Every county that went blue is part of the plague...

Perhaps every county is implicit, but radical and oppressive gun laws aren't necessarily the norm in all of blue areas.

What the heck?? When did the south get so blue???

South has been "blue" for a long time, it's getting red.

So mags are limited to 15 rounds now...how long until they are limited to 10? 5?

SigSour · Mar 11, 2013

I'm wondering, has anyone ever heard of the opposite? Me personally I've never heard "you know this place used to have the strictest gun laws until those damn gun nuts moved in and messed up everything, now there's a shooting range on every corner and everyone has CCW's!"

Ok, that's a bit of an exaggeration but I'm curious. If its ONLY the other way around then we might be in a bit of trouble... in a long haul sort of a way.

mrvco · Mar 11, 2013

Is there a law against grinding the date stamp off your mags? Pre-ban or otherwise?

Black Butte · Mar 11, 2013

For all those gun owners who didn't vote, enjoy your magazine ban.

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