you know what my pet peeve is?

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high cap weapons
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The reason I mentioned hi-cap, is because it seems to me that is what the 'newbies' are buying . ARs, AKs, SKS. ...and yea, some of those guys don't have a clue ABOUT GUN SAFETY. "Call of Duty" and other video games don't teach you to check the chamber when someone hands a weapon to you.

Don't read anything into my comment. I have more 30rd mags than you can carry without a sack.
 
As I said earlier I don’t waste time trying to teach firearms safety to random strangers. They don’t listen and they don’t appreciate it.

About a year ago I took a hand gun to Specialty Sports in Colorado Springs to have some work done on it. I had already called ahead and the Smith knew I was coming. I walked to the back of the store where he was working on a hunting rifle. He had the rifle in hand and was looking at the scope, I introduced myself and he aimed the rifle right at me. (please note I did not say "pointed it at me" I said aimed)

I stepped to the side and told him that I had the gun here to be worked on and that it was in the box with the part to be changed and that the slide was locked back if he cared to check the chamber. He aimed at me again and told me to just leave the gun on the counter and he’d get to it in a few minutes.

I stepped to the side again and said OK sure I just wanted to make sure you knew the gun was here and he did it again.

Long story short he did the work, I got the gun back in just a few minutes, the work was well done at a reasonable price AND NOT ONE DIME OF MY MONEY WILL EVER FIND ITS WAY INTO SPECIALTY SPORTS IN COLORADO SPRINGS AGAIN.
 
beatledog7 said:
Another muzzling thread?

I've been muzzled many times at gun shows and LGSs, and will undoubtedly be again, and I have probably at some point given another person the thought that I was muzzling him. I dare say that is true for anyone reading this thread.

Some people consider themselves incapable of sweeping anyone because their gun etiquette is really just that perfect; however, everyone who has handled guns extensively at gun shows, retail shops, and the like has at some time or other given someone else the impression that he just got muzzled. Realistically, how can one handle a gun at such a venue without doing that? What is the safe point of aim at a gun show? No matter where you point the muzzle you either sweep people getting it to what you consider a safe point of aim or point it a hard surface that could cause shrapnel or a ricochet if the gun discharged. I don't recall ever seeing a single clearing barrel at a gun show.

We all stand a greater chance of being poisoned via shoddy food handling or getting run over by a poor driver than shot via poor gun handling.

Yes, this is a gun forum, not a food safety or defensive driving forum. But it bears noting from time to time that we are imperfect gun handlers, and it is the one who thinks he can never screw up that is most likely to screw up.
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i think that was a pretty good post fellas, still doesnt mean anyone enjoys being swept
 
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There are certainly different levels of danger and as pointed out above when handling a firearm from a three dimensional aspect in a busy gun shop, or gun show it is near impossible to get the weapon in hand without muzzling someone unless it is stored in a vertical muzzle up position.
Of greater concern to me is the access to the public that some of these venues afford and how the gun may be presented from behind a counter.
When a store has a rack that permits the public to freely pick up what ever they wish I feel the opportunity for those with evil intent is greater than I like, and I am very conscious of the muzzle and trigger discipline of others.
When at a store that has counter men who always clear the chamber when presenting and replacing it in the rack or case at least I know that someone has at least looked.
I have seen loaded mags stuck in guns that were supposed to be clear and set out for the public to handle and seen a few ND's at gun shows and it is a chilling reminder of the fallibility of man and the dire consequences of it.
All that said if we can never make a gun "safe" then they will be virtually impossible to handle, clean, transport, or repair. For each of us that condition may vary but I like to see a slide locked back with no mag and empty chamber, cylinder swung out, bolt open, or action broken open this basically separates any chance of contact with the firing pin and a cartridge, I know it can be broken down further but the separation of the critical parts is what will keep the gun from firing.
 
Trunk Monkey said:
As I said earlier I don’t waste time trying to teach firearms safety to random strangers. They don’t listen and they don’t appreciate it.

About a year ago I took a hand gun to Specialty Sports in Colorado Springs to have some work done on it. I had already called ahead and the Smith knew I was coming. I walked to the back of the store where he was working on a hunting rifle. He had the rifle in hand and was looking at the scope, I introduced myself and he aimed the rifle right at me. (please note I did not say "pointed it at me" I said aimed)

I stepped to the side and told him that I had the gun here to be worked on and that it was in the box with the part to be changed and that the slide was locked back if he cared to check the chamber. He aimed at me again and told me to just leave the gun on the counter and he’d get to it in a few minutes.

I stepped to the side again and said OK sure I just wanted to make sure you knew the gun was here and he did it again.

Long story short he did the work, I got the gun back in just a few minutes, the work was well done at a reasonable price AND NOT ONE DIME OF MY MONEY WILL EVER FIND ITS WAY INTO SPECIALTY SPORTS IN COLORADO SPRINGS AGAIN.
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While the sales staff at Specialty Sports in COS has definitely gotten much better than in years past, they're still a bit expensive. And obviously the gunsmith staff needs an overhaul. I've bought from them in the past, but they're mostly used as a gun superstore to fondle as many guns as possible.
 
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....yea, I'm a bit concerned that the latest gun buying craze has put some high cap weapons in the hands of some ppl that really don't have a clue !!??

This irrational fear right here is my biggest pet peeve....
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My biggest pet peeve...............are people who have pet peeves. :D
 
My biggest pet peeve is people at gun shows who walk up to my tables and start reenacting scenes from black hawk down with my short barreled AR's, or some gangster with the short barreled shot gun, and the wanna be swat team member with a suppressed AR 15. Not seen many 450 pound SWAT operators...just sayin.

Picking up a firearm at a gun show is one thing but acting like your 8 years old and playing war at the gun show will get you yelled at by a easily angered small business owner.

I am not overly concerned with people pointing MY guns at me at the gun shows because I zip time handguns through the bore so no ammunition can find its way in there, bolt guns have bolts pulled out and stored in a case (also keeps thieves from stealing stuff at night) and other rifles are either tied so action will not close or in case of AR style guns where bolt can be pulled it is.

Some of the other dealers do scare all that is holy out of me, especially the ones that show up with ammo in guns and they are unloading it as they put their price tags on them the morning.
 
I would have to be there and "feel it", but I might react in a number of ways; ignore it, make a big scene, or casually mention to the store that the customers should not be pointing firearms at people loaded or unloaded.

But someone pointing a weapon at me really bugs me; firearm or even bow and arrow. When I pick up a weapon in a store, gun show or where ever, I make a special point of not pointing the gun anywhere other than way above anything that another person might construe as "at the", but there are still people who will react.
 
When some idiot says (check out my new toy) when showing you his new firearm !.............
 
303tom said:
When some idiot says (check out my new toy) when showing you his new firearm !.............
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I say that all the time, but I have to put "new" in air-quotes because I've yet to buy a new gun other than my AR lower.

And my other pet peeve is people who use air-quotes. And the fact that I've yet to pick up a NEW mosin. Or Remington mosin. or Sestroryetsk (however it's spelled.) Or Chatellerault.

Matt
 
Trent said:
As far as 'high cap weapons in the hands of people who don't have a clue', that's just ridiculous. People have a right to buy and use whatever they choose to. That's why it's called a RIGHT. You don't have to beg permission to exercise a RIGHT.
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It is a right, no question about it. But I see more and more unsafe gun handling everywhere I go. I was at a gun store in WI a month ago and the old guy working behind the counter didn't even know how to safety check half the guns he sold.

Any time a hobby becomes increasingly popular, its going to attract people from all over the proficiency/dedication spectrum. THIS particular hobby, however, demands a level of safety and vigilance that is a bit beyond what some casual newcomers are willing to observe.
 
If Cabelas scares you, I'd say never go to a gun show. Somewhere in life we have to realize everybody isnt out to kill us. At least to me personally, there is safety on a range and there is safety in a store where the odds are million to one of it being loaded. Embarassing a new person does nothing to support the cause, but risks alienating someone on the fence.
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Whether it be my 5 yr cousin or my 96 yr old grandmother, I won't make excuses for anyone breaking ANY of the four rules, espcially by pointing a gun at me. There is no excuse to ever point a gun at any living creature you aren't willing to destroy or kill. Making excuses for ignoring basic safety is one of the quickest ways to ensure you won't shoot with me or in my proximity any time soon.
Sighting down a new weapon does NOT need to even happen at the gun counter. You examine the mechanism, the parts, the finish, pertinent numbers, check for flaws.

I believe that grabbing a weapon and sighting it like that is the most newbie move you can make. It shows that you don't care about the above important stuff. And it makes you look like a newbie. You can sight that thing in later when it's loaded.

"Checking your aim" should only happen in a live fire environment. If you do not have the patience to wait and not look like an idiot, don't buy a gun please. This is how negligent discharges happen.
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In a perfect world, maybe. In the real world, canted sights and whatnot happen, and its easier to avoid buying the gun in the first place than it is to fix issues that could have been caught before the purchase. IMO, checking the alignment of the sights against cant is a must, especially when purchasing certain guns. Its hardly a newbie error, and serves a function. It may seem unimportant, until you get home with a gun with easily visable canted sights
 
Never pointing a gun at anyone. Not sure how its done now but I remember bayonet training back in the 60's, and yup, we pointed "guns?" at each other.
 
i agree with Impureclient, shout loudly, embarrass the cra* out of them, and make them feel like they are the size of ant dung. they have no business pointing any gun at anyone, unless they are defending themselves from an attack. which clearly they were not. they were simply showing extreme ignorance. and need to be corrected. that is one nice thing about getting older, you do not care so much about what others think about you anymore. it makes it a lot easier to yell at someone when you do not worry about what someone else might think.
 
i agree with Impureclient, shout loudly, embarrass the cra* out of them, and make them feel like they are the size of ant dung. they have no business pointing any gun at anyone, unless they are defending themselves from an attack. which clearly they were not. they were simply showing extreme ignorance. and need to be corrected. that is one nice thing about getting older, you do not care so much about what others think about you anymore. it makes it a lot easier to yell at someone when you do not worry about what someone else might think.
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We need to correct your use of punctuation and capitalization before you are allowed to post here anymore.

Not really, but please give it some thought.
 
Once again, I'll try to make this point stick.

It's far more likely to be killed or injured by bad driving than by bad gun handling, yet we are very tolerant of people pointing motor vehicles at us all the time. Yes, there are differences (being able to get out of the way of a car versus a bullet, for one). Cars aren't supposed to hit anything, yet we see far more accidents in which things (people, pedestrians, and other cars) get hit by cars than in which property or people get hit by bullets.

I'm not making light of firearm safety, and I agree it's no fun getting muzzled. But these "bad gun handling" threads are beginning to sound like little more than self-righteous snobbery to me.

I'd like to attend a gun show or a store with some of you guys that are so sure of your impeccable gun handing and attach a magnetic laser pointer to the crown of every gun you pick up so you can see just how many times you muzzle someone or point the gun at something that could cause a ricochet.

There are reasons why "never point a gun at anything you're not wiling to destroy" and similarly worded rules about muzzle direction are accompanied by rules about open actions, verifying that guns are unloaded, and perhaps most importantly, keeping fingers off triggers. In crowded gun-buying venues, it is virtually impossible to conduct routine gun buying activities without at some point having the muzzle at least in the general direction of another person or a ricochet-prone surface. To claim otherwise is....well, try that laser and you'll see.
 
beatledog7 said:
We need to correct your use of punctuation and capitalization before you are allowed to post here anymore.

Not really, but please give it some thought.
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All he failed to do was not capitalize...I've seen A LOT worse here.

PS I don't think you are supposed to start a sentence with the word "but". Post #68 Just sayin':)
 
Gun store people are mostly cowards. They are afraid to harsh anyone's mellow by calling them out on safety rules. I have made nemerous complaints to staff and management over it, I even had one go so far as to pull security camera footage, view the offense, and fire people.
 
Thanks, Potatohead.

I would caution my students about beginning a sentence with a conjunction, but when one holds an MA in composition he can get away with bending a few rules, as long as he knows he's doing it and has a good reason. It's a whole different thing to do it unwittingly.
 
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