Glock 19X to be introduced in January

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The problem was not with the guns. When mistake are made, when guns are involved, it’s easy to blame the gun. Most people don’t have the proper training with the guns they own. Some have zero to very little training in firearms.
I agree with the fact that the guns did as they were designed to do. It is however readily apparent that mistakes are bound to happen, even with the most careful and well trained people...just like the untrained jackleg that twirls his no-safety striker fired pistol every day and never had an accidental discharge. The problem I have with the design concept is that there is the assumption that with such a small safety margin, nothing will happen to cause a failure whether it be a training issue or not. There should be some sort of disconnector beyond a little bang switch on the big bang switch. I also realize there is no perfect design, but perhaps a grip safety or something...anything...else is a good idea. For self defense (which is always the argument of a heat of the moment forgotten safety) it seems that this would also be beneficial for not shooting ones self in the foot trying to draw. Things that are automatic when a gun is properly held would be nice.
 
Just learned the gun won't take some Glock magazines due to the lanyard loop...

That and no safety, AND it is a LOSER PISTOL, it lost to the SIG.

Just what exactly is the appeal here?
 
It takes all of the mags if you swap the mag plates, and/or get rid of the loop. It's not the pistol that went up against the SIG. Glocks shouldn't have a safety. If you want a safety get a 1911 or an M9 or something.

The appeal is a long overdue commander style Glock. 4" barrel, fullsize frame. Quicker draw, quicker initial aiming. I'm also glad that they got rid of the moon cut, and the pig tusks.
 
Just learned the gun won't take some Glock magazines due to the lanyard loop...

That and no safety, AND it is a LOSER PISTOL, it lost to the SIG.

Just what exactly is the appeal here?


It lost to Sig due to price, and because the Army didn’t follow their own protocol and put the two finalists through all the testing and evaluations. Had they done the testing, Glock probably would have won, especially if the Army decided to not buy guns that go boom when dropped.

So what, it won’t use every other Glock mag made since its inception. The way to fix that is buy mags that fit.its not the end of the world.

Guns appeal to different people for different reasons. I want an M9A3 and it wasn’t even allowed in the competition and it too probably doesn’t use old Glock magazines. Oh, and it too is harder to conceal than the average LCP.
 
The Glock 19X uses Glock 17 mags from Gen 1 through 4. It won't accept Gen 5 mags because Gen 5 mags have a longer baseplate in the front than every other Generation Glock magazine.
 
I think the G19X will appeal to people that like to shoot. It will also appeal to people in law enforcement that need to buy their own guns. With various special forces choosing to use the Glock 19, maybe they will now want this instead. It will appeal to collectors, especially those that may want to buy the MHS guns.

This gun combines the quick lock-work and less reciprocating weight of the G19 with more grip and leverage of the G17 grip. The way I see it, this should be about the ultimate gun for meticulously double-tapping marauding zombies in the head. And that is something everyone simply must take notice of.

Well said.

My thoughts are that this gun was never intended to be concealed when carried. Anyone arguing for the 17 slide on a 19 frame is missing the point. No military style sidearm is meant to be concealed. It is meant to function exceptionally well and be more easily controlled than other full size weapons.

This Glock looks bad ass and I can’t wait to get mine! Next I like to see a 10mmX, G29 on a G20 frame... oh wait, I can just put my G20 mags in my 29sf because it’s the same thing, or not.
 
Its a Glock 19 with a grip extension, painted baby poop brown and spoon fed to us as a "new" pistol... C'mon Glock... We all know you can do better...
Come on now. Don't be so critical.;) Just look at all the comments that others made about how Glock could have done this or that. With this pistol they did a little of this and that . Like they say. You can't please all the people all the time, but you can please some of the people some of the time.
I may buy one and I like the color because it matches some of my ARs. And I already have a black Glock.:)
 
Lol, I hear ya. But I really believe Ruger is going after the Glock Market on this one. You watch, I bet you will start to see both compared together in many of the gun mags, internet stuff etc. I have no dog in this fight. I personally do not want a Glock or the Security9. But I find "Marketing" so very interesting. And for sure, Ruger spends millions on Ads and I would also bet they have a few writer's on the payroll. Think about it. A Glock 19 for $300.00. Good name, good service. Watch. The LCPll was the top selling gun for 2017. Was it the best? Not hardly. But guns do not sell by quality alone. Perception is a great tool.
Ruger learned a long time ago. "SELL THE SIZZLE NOT THE STEAK"!
 
Lol, I hear ya. But I really believe Ruger is going after the Glock Market on this one. You watch, I bet you will start to see both compared together in many of the gun mags, internet stuff etc. I have no dog in this fight. I personally do not want a Glock or the Security9. But I find "Marketing" so very interesting. And for sure, Ruger spends millions on Ads and I would also bet they have a few writer's on the payroll. Think about it. A Glock 19 for $300.00. Good name, good service. Watch. The LCPll was the top selling gun for 2017. Was it the best? Not hardly. But guns do not sell by quality alone. Perception is a great tool.
Ruger learned a long time ago. "SELL THE SIZZLE NOT THE STEAK"!

Good points! I too find marketing fascinating. Judging by Ruger’s latest moves, they appear to be making a play to secure their future. They have introduced a metric pant-load of new and desirable guns, they decreased their work force, and somehow they secured the services of Doug Koenig and will now for the first time have a factory competition team.

Everyone targets the G19 because it is a near perfect compromise between size and capacity. Ruger coming out with something very similar at a much lower price point would seem to be a wining strategy. The only thing the Ruger really lacks is a very long, proven track record.
 
Good question, you would have to find someone with a unbiased and objective review. Lol, does one exist?

Depends on what you believe to be an unbiased review. However, and more to the point is the fact that this is a thread about the G19X, not the Ruger Security 9 or the Glock 19.
 
Lol, I hear ya. That is fine. Can the G19x be compared to other guns on this thread? Or is that verboten? No problem. I will start a new thread for comparison of the Glock and Ruger. Thanks, sorry to mess up the tread.
 
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Its a Glock 19 with a grip extension, painted baby poop brown and spoon fed to us as a "new" pistol... C'mon Glock... We all know you can do better...

Hardly. Glock is the least innovative large gun manufacturer. Just look at the minute differences between the generations of Glocks they have put out since they came into being. Glock is very much is a one trick pony. The 19X could have been made in any bubba kitchen gun shop with some 19 and 17 parts, a paint brush, and epoxy to put on the pistol lanyard.
 
Hardly. Glock is the least innovative large gun manufacturer. Just look at the minute differences between the generations of Glocks they have put out since they came into being. Glock is very much is a one trick pony. The 19X could have been made in any bubba kitchen gun shop with some 19 and 17 parts, a paint brush, and epoxy to put on the pistol lanyard.

So, I assume you can either articulate exactly which “innovations” Glock should be doing? Or at least name another top brand that is innovating? They could do some things that other companies are doing but then that isn’t innovation, that is copying and they wood become that other gun, not a Glock. There is very litttle left to innovate in the modern firearm world when it comes to a company that only makes handguns, shovels and knives.
 
So, I assume you can either articulate exactly which “innovations” Glock should be doing?

Anything would be a change from their current line up. Glock has consistently fallen behind in market demand for niche firearms. Their pocket 380 and 9mms came years after the competition. And the only reason why they even sell is because of Glocks reputation.

Or at least name another top brand that is innovating?

Um, any of them. The only company I would say that is innovating less than Glock is SCYY. They have their 3 CPX models, and there isn't much difference between them. Ruger is probably the most innovative right now. Coming out with budget models of already well selling and economy priced handguns.

There is very litttle left to innovate in the modern firearm world when it comes to a company that only makes handguns, shovels and knives.

How many companies made interchangeable backstraps before Glock picked it up? I could probably name off at least 4. How about the modular design of the Sig P250 and 320? That is pretty innovative for the plastic fantastic gun market. Glock could easily come up with something to rival that. That opportunity existed in the Army MHS trials. They decided to make a 17/19 hack job instead. Because they are a one trick pony. Glock could shock the entire world and come out with their own version of a 1911. But they won't do that, because they are a one trick pony,
 
Anything would be a change from their current line up. Glock has consistently fallen behind in market demand for niche firearms. Their pocket 380 and 9mms came years after the competition. And the only reason why they even sell is because of Glocks reputation.

If I remember correctly, the reason they did not have anything smaller than a Glock 26 for many years was due to import laws. I am not sure what happened to make that a non issue now but I think it has to do with them making the guns 100% in the US now. I believe this occurred around 2012 or 2013, and the Glock 42 came out in 2014. In other words, they made their little guns as soon as they could.

As for the reason they sell. Well um, if they sell because of their reputation, do you suppose that means they have a good reputation or a bad one? Isn't that a good thing that their reputation sells their guns? Maybe you should look up the video on the 4 ex-special forces guys doing a pocket dump of what they carry. Three pull out Glock 43's and the 4th has a Mossberg shotgun. Must be pretty crappy little guns.



Um, any of them. The only company I would say that is innovating less than Glock is SCYY. They have their 3 CPX models, and there isn't much difference between them. Ruger is probably the most innovative right now. Coming out with budget models of already well selling and economy priced handguns.

This is essentially a cop-out. You say any of them, yet you pretty much list zero innovations from those companies. You list Ruger as being the most innovative right now. Would you be talking about the Security 9, which oddly enough copies the dimensions of the Glock 19, because it is considered one of the very best conceal carry guns on the planet? Another in a long line of guns Ruger has produced that many believe is just an updated copy of another manufacturers guns. Very innovative indeed. No matter what Ruger does and how inexpensive its guns are made, they still have a very long way to go to equal the reputation Glock has with their handguns and when it is an object people are entrusting their lives to, reputation goes a long way.



How many companies made interchangeable backstraps before Glock picked it up? I could probably name off at least 4. How about the modular design of the Sig P250 and 320? That is pretty innovative for the plastic fantastic gun market. Glock could easily come up with something to rival that. That opportunity existed in the Army MHS trials. They decided to make a 17/19 hack job instead. Because they are a one trick pony. Glock could shock the entire world and come out with their own version of a 1911. But they won't do that, because they are a one trick pony,

The question here was about being innovative. Glock copying the chassis set-up of Sig to make their own version would not be innovative. It has already been done. Have you noticed all the other manufacturers immediately going to that set-up? The P250 came out in 2007! 11 years ago and to this day, I do not believe anyone else has gone that route. Innovating for the sake of innovation is not necessarily the best idea. Yes, Ruger has a removable chassis in their Ruger American Handgun but they apparently do not see a benefit to offering different frames to put it in. Beretta has also gone that way but only offer different color frames and ones with and without finger grooves. Not exactly game changing. In fact, I suspect that if handguns had always been made like the Sig's, where you have to switch the chassis into different size frames and slides, the next big innovation that came along would be a gun that is the perfect size to serve all purposes, no pesky chassis changing necessary! And it would be called a Glock 19.

Glock did not invent the changeable back straps, someone else did and everyone else jumped on the bandwagon, just like Glock did so I am not sure exactly why Glock is any less innovative for doing so. I kind of wish they had not. All they had to do was come out with the smaller grip that started with the Gen 4's and it would have fit most hands very well.

I actually laughed when you mentioned copying the design of a gun built originally in 1911 and then selling their version to the public JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE as being innovative. Personally, I think it is more innovative for them to resist that silliness.

Glock does not need to innovate as evidenced by the fact that their submission to the MHS contract made it into the top two, unlike the majority of the guns you think are innovative. Glock was the only company capable and INNOVATIVE enough to comply with the MHS contract while introducing only one handgun rather than two, like all the other companies. And it is a known fact that the reason Glock lost was due to cost alone. Had the Army actually done the testing, chances are, the Glock would have won that part,especially after proper testing would have revealed that Sig couldn't even build a gun safe enough to be dropped without it shooting someone.

Guess what? One thing about a one trick pony is that they know that trick very very well.
 
Pesky chassis change? Actually quite easy and makes any changing of parts very easy as well easier to clean, easy to change out a bad grip etc. I see by your comments that you are a Glock fan. I personally do not buy into all the hyperbole that Glocks are that great. But each to his own. As far as Government bids for firearms, how do you know that the Glock lost simply for cost?
Glocks like most firearm these days are just polymer and metal, do you really think that design could not be made by Ruger Engineers, and maybe actually made better? Hickcock45 seemed to like the Security9, and he is a Glock Fan. If the Security9 is a winner down the road, then it will be a game changer. I was at the range again yesterday and once again looking at the Security9 and have to say it is growing on me, and I have never even considered a Glock 19. And you cannot beat the price. Maybe Glock needs to think of adjusting their prices? Lol, they might actually have to after this next year is over.
 
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