Glock 19X to be introduced in January

[ATLDave]

It's really all the same nest, of course. Some part of the market (including the Army) really wants a safety on handguns. Some part really doesn't. Another part is indifferent, I suppose. Glock has been a fabulous success targeting the latter two groups. They've also expended a lot of marketing money persuading people to leave the first group. But that has reached its limits.

If they want to include the first group in their customer base, they'll need to add real, functional, ergonomically-sound safeties as an option. They may not want to. That's cool, they're a private business, they don't have to try to appeal to everyone. They're doing fine without my money. They'll get to continue doing fine without my money. It's their choice, and mine. Freedom is pretty cool.

 

[Striker]

I'm a hardcore Glock guy, but am a bit underwhelmed by this variant.

 

[helitack32f1]

Does anyone still buy guns for fun anymore? In this age of the interwebs it seems as though everyone is either an aspiring genuine operator or a deep undercover agent and neither have the time to just enjoy shooting. The first thing everyone does when a new gun comes out, especially a Glock is to look for every little thing that they don't like and make sure everyone knows exactly how they feel and why they are enlightened enough to rag on Glock once again and why they absolutely won't buy one. Never mind the fact that most of those people wouldn't buy a Glock regardless of how awesome it is unless it said something other than Glock on the side.

I WANT a G19X, not because it is the ultimate conceal carry gun or because it makes sense, I want it because I like shooting, like shooting Glocks and it is different and looks and sounds like it is a lot of fun to shoot. These are the same reasons I want a Beretta M9A3 and a Beretta APX. And something that shoots 10mm. And maybe even that hideous looking Sig P320 when they come out with an MHS version of that. And the new Ruger Security 9. And a Ruger Revolver of some type. I have no intention of carrying any of them in a concealed manner. I like guns and I like to shoot.

I think the G19X will appeal to people that like to shoot. It will also appeal to people in law enforcement that need to buy their own guns. With various special forces choosing to use the Glock 19, maybe they will now want this instead. It will appeal to collectors, especially those that may want to buy the MHS guns.

This gun combines the quick lock-work and less reciprocating weight of the G19 with more grip and leverage of the G17 grip. The way I see it, this should be about the ultimate gun for meticulously double-tapping marauding zombies in the head. And that is something everyone simply must take notice of.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

I would have preferred that it was released with a safety for collection purposes for myself but I still plan on buying one. I've always liked the slide length of the 19 but always found that the grip was too short. The 4" barrel/full length grip isn't really different than many other guns on the market like the Sig P320 Carry and the HK VP9 but Glock seems to be getting a lot of hate over this gun. I'm not a Glock fan and have never owned a Glock but I think I found the first Glock that I actually like.

 

[Panzerschwein]

Without a safety it's just a tan Glock 19.

I don't get why some are freaking out over this??

 

[Mizar]

This gun combines the quick lock-work and less reciprocating weight of the G19 with more grip and leverage of the G17 grip.

And what exact advantage does this gives us over the Glock 17? Furthermore, IDPA & USPSA shooters tend to disagree with you - for some illogical reason they much prefer Glock 17 & 34 models...

 

[helitack32f1]

And what exact advantage does this gives us over the Glock 17? Furthermore, IDPA & USPSA shooters tend to disagree with you - for some illogical reason they much prefer Glock 17 & 34 models...

Pretty sure they have not disagreed with me in the IDPA and USPSA or the ASPCA since they have not yet had the chance to choose the Glock 19X.

Physics kinda dictates that a lighter slide reciprocating will be easier to control than a heavier one, and controlling that lighter reciprocating slide with a larger lever will make it easier still. So, to answer your question, the “EXACT” advantage the 19X would (could) have over a G17 is more controllable rapid fire as well as regular fire. Maybe this isn’t exactly what they look for in the competitions you for some reason brought up but it sure as hell is important when dispatching hordes of zombies, one double-tap to the cranium at a time!

And one last thought or two. Some like to say that having the longer slide and barrel of the G17 would make more sense because “accuracy”. However, I’m willing to bet that the Gen 5 Glock G19 barrels are every bit as accurate as a Gen 4 G17’s longer barrel and sight radius set-up. However, even if they are not, accuracy does not matter at combat distances, especially according to the interweb warriors that have gone on to bitch about Glock making an un-needed change in the Gen5 barrel by attempting to make them more accurate. So, the shorter set-up of the barrel and sights on he G19X certainly should not be an issue.

 

[bangbang01]

I don't understand why they refuse to offer at least one model with a optional manual safety.

I prefer a long DA/SA or DA only for a carry gun. I grew up shooting DA revolvers and tend to not have too much difficulty being accurate with a DA only pocket gun or DA/SA duty pistol at the ranges these guns are designed for.

My wife prefers a manual safety. She carries in a jacket pocket in the winter and in a quick draw style fanny back in the summer. When she was trying out carry guns, she really didn't want to like the Glock 42 because of the safe action trigger, but after finding an aftermarket manual trigger safety, she went with the Glock over the Sig p238. I found the safety to be awkward at first, but once you get used to it, it's just as easy/comfortable as a thumb safety.

 

[.455_Hunter]

Is that a cross-bolt that blocks the blade from moving?

 

[ATLDave]

4" barrels suck for USPSA. For a bunch of reasons.

 

[Mizar]

Yea, sure, helitack, physics... Like picking only the features we seem to like while ignoring the rest of the facts, right? Pretty sure most gun companies that built competition guns just missed that lesson. I imagine a Commander 1911 would be superior to a full size 1911 in competition... Or is it not? I wonder why there are no competition "crossover pistols" offered by STI, SVI, CZ, Tanfoglio, or whatever serious manufacturer you think of. Those top shooters really don't know a thing about Zombie-killing-double-taps as a matter of fact, that is correct... You know, back in the good old days things like sight radius, controllability of the gun and therefore more fast and precise shooting did matter a thing, but I guess not anymore - zombies all the way, right? See, IPSC/USPSA/IDPA is where guns are put to a real test and pretty soon it's discovered what is working, or not. There is a reason why full sized pistols are preferred and trust me, competition shooters are the last to go with the flow (for full sized guns that is).
You know, I don't care what guns you like - it's your money, your fun-time, do whatever you like. But please, don't try to justify your choice with some cherry-picked "facts" that are out of the context. Just enjoy that gun, OK?

 

[bangbang01]

Is that a cross-bolt that blocks the blade from moving?

Yes

It wasn't too expensive, and it was pretty easy to install too.

 

[helitack32f1]

Yea, sure, helitack, physics... Like picking only the features we seem to like while ignoring the rest of the facts, right? Pretty sure most gun companies that built competition guns just missed that lesson. I imagine a Commander 1911 would be superior to a full size 1911 in competition... Or is it not? I wonder why there are no competition "crossover pistols" offered by STI, SVI, CZ, Tanfoglio, or whatever serious manufacturer you think of. Those top shooters really don't know a thing about Zombie-killing-double-taps as a matter of fact, that is correct... You know, back in the good old days things like sight radius, controllability of the gun and therefore more fast and precise shooting did matter a thing, but I guess not anymore - zombies all the way, right? See, IPSC/USPSA/IDPA is where guns are put to a real test and pretty soon it's discovered what is working, or not. There is a reason why full sized pistols are preferred and trust me, competition shooters are the last to go with the flow (for full sized guns that is).
You know, I don't care what guns you like - it's your money, your fun-time, do whatever you like. But please, don't try to justify your choice with some cherry-picked "facts" that are out of the context. Just enjoy that gun, OK?

I think someone needs to lay off the caffeine or eat a sandwich or something. Maybe put down the Wii controller before your Princess Toad Mario Kart crashes again or something. Not sure why you are so worked up over another persons random opinion about a random gun that none of us have owned, held, or fired.

However, I guess using your logic, Special Forces have proven YOU wrong because they chose the Glock 19 and not the G34 or the G17? See how stupid that sounds? Reading comprehension is your friend, I never said any of those things were definitive. Did you not see where I said the G19X (COULD!) have an advantage?!

When I mentioned earlier about people having better results using their G19’s than they were with their 17’s, I was talking about real humans using their stock guns in GSSF competition. I myself shoot my 25+ year old Glock 23 better than I do my Gen 4 G17. Sorry I wasn’t referring to the be all/end all competitions of USPSA or the CDC or whatever you are impressed by.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

I have carried Glocks for the last fifteen years as a duty weapons. I have never had a problem due to them not having a manual safety. I just don’t put my bugger hook on the bang switch unless I want it to go bang.
Now if you’re one that likes a manual safety on your carry gun there are gun out there that have them.

Now the thing about people shooting them selves while holestering their Glock or other guns without manual safeties. Most often this happens because something got caught on the trigger. Most often this happens while shooting. The shooters never like to blame themselves for wearing something that is not suitable for shooting, ie, loose clothing, wrong holster or worn out holster. Or, they are just not good at speed holstering their gun.
When I go shooting I wear proper attire. If I plan to use a holster, I make sure I have the right one and that it’s in good condition.
There is something I don’t understand. I have had to draw my gun from the holster very fast in my line of work from time to time, but I have never had to re-holster fast. Why do some people get in a hurry to holster their gun?
But they do make this for those that have concerns about holstering the Glock.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/07/09/upcoming-gadget-for-glock-handguns/

But back on topic.
I have been thinking about getting a 19 Gen5, but now thinking about the 19X. I think I will wait until I can put both in my hand .

 

[Walt Sherrill]

On another forum, a couple of SEALS (known for their expertise and well regarded on that forum) mentioned they preferred the Glock 19 to the SIG P228, especially when climbing onto a ship via rope or rope ladder. I'm sure they could master the DA/SA trigger transition, but despite that, they still preferred the Glock 19.

 

[TomJ]

Just when I thought I had all my guns needs covered, now I need to look for something to double tap zombies with.

 

[bangbang01]

I have carried Glocks for the last fifteen years as a duty weapons. I have never had a problem due to them not having a manual safety. I just don’t put my bugger hook on the bang switch unless I want it to go bang.
Now if you’re one that likes a manual safety on your carry gun there are gun out there that have them.

Now the thing about people shooting them selves while holestering their Glock or other guns without manual safeties. Most often this happens because something got caught on the trigger. Most often this happens while shooting. The shooters never like to blame themselves for wearing something that is not suitable for shooting, ie, loose clothing, wrong holster or worn out holster. Or, they are just not good at speed holstering their gun.
When I go shooting I wear proper attire. If I plan to use a holster, I make sure I have the right one and that it’s in good condition.
There is something I don’t understand. I have had to draw my gun from the holster very fast in my line of work from time to time, but I have never had to re-holster fast. Why do some people get in a hurry to holster their gun?
But they do make this for those that have concerns about holstering the Glock.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/07/09/upcoming-gadget-for-glock-handguns/
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There are a lot more reasons for a manual safety than the holstering thing, but it all comes down to preference, lifestyle, and what one is comfortable with IMO.
Some people like having a manual safety as a backup for human error. No amount of training will ensure that a person doesn't make the ultimate mistake with a firearm. There is just too much proof of that.

A good example would be leaving a loaded firearm out. We all say that we would never do it, but it happens. An instructor that my nephew took a hunting safety class with told the class a tragic story about why he became a safety instructor. When he was a kid, his 5 year old stepbrother shot his mom in the abdomen with a pistol his step dad had left on top of a dresser while taking a shower. His step dad had come back to an empty house and made the mistake of leaving his duty gun on top of his dresser. He thought he would be out of the shower long before anyone was home. It ended up being the biggest mistake of his life. His wife lived, but still has a spinal injury to this day. This guy was a police officer, and this took place in the mid 90's, so I'll let you guess what type of gun it was.

Now I'm not saying it would have been different had the gun had a safety, but a manual safety just might have prevented this tragedy. The first thing most people will say is that this officer was an idiot and the whole situation could have been prevented with common sense, but this goes back to my original point. Human's are not perfect. We make mistakes. Sometimes we make really bad mistakes.

 

[jjones45]

But back on topic.
I have been thinking about getting a 19 Gen5, but now thinking about the 19X. I think I will wait until I can put both in my hand .

I thought I wanted a gen 5 19 until I held one. It just didn’t do anything special for me over a gen 3 or 4. And the way my hands fit it there was a noticeable difference with the flared mag well. I’m hoping when I pick up a 19X I like it more than the gen5 or I won’t have either. I can also see myself getting a 34 gen5 mos sometime this year on impulse.

 

[helitack32f1]

Just when I thought I had all my guns needs covered, now I need to look for something to double tap zombies with.

LOL, It never hurts to be prepared! Though, in truth it would be best to just man up and get a .500 S&W revolver, then it is a simple one-shot activity.

 

[herrwalther]

Anyone else think this Glock looks like a mullet? Its dark brown. And the front is shorter than the back. Really fits the "business in the front, party in the rear" tagline of the 80's hairstyle.

As far as those complaining about the G17 grip and concealment, keep in mind this pistol was a competitor for the Army. Where concealment is nowhere near a priority for 99% of troops. Unless a soldier springs for a concealment OWB holster, the standard duty holsters are very much designed for open carry and nothing else.

 

[Zerodefect]

A 4" pistol draws quicker than a 5 or 6". This is a nice option for IDPA and CCW. My IWB carry style can hide a fullsize grip, but it can't hide the nose of a G34.4 slide.

 

[helitack32f1]

Last night I made the mistake of trying my Glock 17 in my concealment holster and it seems it will hide just as well as my G23 has. At least that is what I’m going with so I have more reason to justify the purchase of a 19X. Yes, I could just carry the 17 but what fun would that be?!

 

[Zerodefect]

I think I'm getting the 19x. My G34.4 is starting to show me the light of 9mm. I still prefer to carry more power though.

I like how it doesn't have the moon cutout that the Gen5's have. I still prefer the Gen4's overall.

 

[WestKentucky]

I don’t understand why so many guys want a safety on a double action only pistol that is meant for self defense. It can literally only fire when the paddle and trigger are fully depressed.

To each their own it just surprises me.

Cross bolt safety in a lever gun. Heresy
Post lock S&W revolver. Infuriating
Safety on a single action revolver. Lawyer bs


And now a bunch of folks WANT a safety on a pistol meant for self defense.

A close friend of mine carries while working (crop consultant) mainly for snakes and dogs. About 5 years ago he was on a military installation also he and his coworker locked their pistols in one truck off post and went on post in the other truck. When reholstering his belt tag end got into the trigger guard and he put a bullet through his wallet, butt, and both legs. He was carrying an XD compact or a g26, I forget which... now do you wonder why I refuse to have a gun without a safety? Hmm... or the time I put a 22 through my boot trying to ease a hammer down on a Henry 22 lever carbine. Yeah both times we could have avoided the issues that led to the negligent discharge, but when you snap on a firing pin block or use a decocker these situations just don’t happen.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

Last night I made the mistake of trying my Glock 17 in my concealment holster and it seems it will hide just as well as my G23 has. At least that is what I’m going with so I have more reason to justify the purchase of a 19X. Yes, I could just carry the 17 but what fun would that be?!

I never need justification to buy a gun, just the extra money to buy it.

A close friend of mine carries while working (crop consultant) mainly for snakes and dogs. About 5 years ago he was on a military installation also he and his coworker locked their pistols in one truck off post and went on post in the other truck. When reholstering his belt tag end got into the trigger guard and he put a bullet through his wallet, butt, and both legs. He was carrying an XD compact or a g26, I forget which... now do you wonder why I refuse to have a gun without a safety? Hmm... or the time I put a 22 through my boot trying to ease a hammer down on a Henry 22 lever carbine. Yeah both times we could have avoided the issues that led to the negligent discharge, but when you snap on a firing pin block or use a decocker these situations just don’t happen.

The problem was not with the guns. When mistake are made, when guns are involved, it’s easy to blame the gun. Most people don’t have the proper training with the guns they own. Some have zero to very little training in firearms.
Some people feel better having a manual safety on a gun and I feel that they are needed on some models. But they are not needed on all.
But manufacturers build guns to fill the needs of customers. So if one brand or model does not fit your needs, there is another that will.
Smith & Wesson offers it’s M&P with or without a manual safety. Some should look into it and stop worrying about the guns without manual safeties.