Nice example of what to do when the police respond.

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This is an attempted carjacking that goes badly for the criminal.

The defender (who turns out to be an off-duty cop) gives us an excellent example of what to do when the police show up.

Put your gun down, put your hands up. If you can't do that safely around the criminal who just attacked you, then you shouldn't be near enough to the criminal for him to remain a threat.

If you CHOOSE to stay close to a criminal who remains a threat until the police respond, now you are in a pickle because you need to put down your weapon and put up your hands and you have chosen to remain in a situation where you can't do that safely.

Something to think about.
 
The first order of business for the responding officers is to make sure no one else gets shot, especially them. Disarming everyone is going to be the top priority.

Which means, as I see it is that I have the choice of being disarmed at gunpoint or getting rid of the gun before it comes to that. For me, that's an easy choice. Apparently the cop in the video felt the same.
 
Been retired 11 years and I still carry a set of cuffs in my pov problem solved.
 
Depending on state law, a private citizen may not have the right to cuff/restrain someone, possible civil suit.

When we went for annual firearms training, we also practiced being challenged from behind. In addition to the response we were taught, we were also told if you're requested to drop your weapon, drop your weapon.

He said he knew no one wanted their gun dinged up from dropping it, but don't hesitate and think about placing it gently on the ground, just do it. And definitely don't turn around to explain who you are with the gun in your hand. Also gun out, badge out, when safe, held in the air.
 
JohnKSa said:


This is an attempted carjacking that goes badly for the criminal.

The defender (who turns out to be an off-duty cop) gives us an excellent example of what to do when the police show up.

Put your gun down, put your hands up. If you can't do that safely around the criminal who just attacked you, then you shouldn't be near enough to the criminal for him to remain a threat.

If you CHOOSE to stay close to a criminal who remains a threat until the police respond, now you are in a pickle because you need to put down your weapon and put up your hands and you have chosen to remain in a situation where you can't do that safely.

Something to think about.
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Watching, my first thought was why is he stopping, I would speed away! However the narration explained that an off-duty cop has a different POV and why.
 
Speedo66 said:
Depending on state law, a private citizen may not have the right to cuff/restrain someone, possible civil suit.
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I'm curious: Under LEOSA, a retired officer can carry even in may issue jurisdictions where s/he doesn't have a permit. Does LEOSA also permit using cuffs? Or are they considered for that purpose a "private citizen" as you describe?
 
old lady new shooter said:
I'm curious: Under LEOSA, a retired officer can carry even in may issue jurisdictions where s/he doesn't have a permit. Does LEOSA also permit using cuffs? Or are they considered for that purpose a "private citizen" as you describe?
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If you are just that, retired, you no longer have any more arrest power than any other private citizen.

No mention of cuffs in LEOSA, firearms only. It addresses retirees, and active officers outside of the states they work, where they also have no special arrest powers.
 
Odd Job said:
Is reholstering an option? With hands up when police arrive.
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That is the recommendation of several knowledgable instructors, once the threat is over and you are waiting for LEOs to arrive. BUT, in this video it appears he still has the gun in hand as he sees the police cars responding. In that case, being clearly unarmed when they arrive is the best idea. Gun in holster.. armed; gun on ground several feet away, disarmed.
 
Craig_VA said:
Gun in holster.. armed; gun on ground several feet away, disarmed.
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I would prefer the option of a relatively "safe" gun in most convent concealed location, like a hoodie pocket. A revolver, DAO, decocker, or SA with positive manual safety fits the bill. Trying to carefully jam that 4 lb Apex trigger kit striker gun into your AIWB when the sirens roll-up is not a plan for success. Just because "recognized trainers" indicate that holstering can be done without haste doesn't make the statement always true.
 
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