Could this become a Waco/Ruby Ridge? Happening RIGHT NOW!

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Retired exterminator.

Anti-government.

Holed up in his house with guns.

Dale Gribble, anyone?

-Jack

Did they have any reports of an unintelligible neighbor?:)


In all seriousness it sounds like this guy is claiming... maybe after he already broke the law... that tax laws are unconstitutional.
 
Sounds like he should have hired a tax attorney to negotiate with the IRS and make sure they didn't get screwed around.

From what I hear, he did, but the IRS flat out Refused to Negotiate.
 
From an earlier article on the trial:

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070110/REPOSITORY/701100361/0/SPORTS04

They may owe $625,000

Tax protesters have their day in court
Plainfield couple hasn't paid since 1996

By Margot Sanger-Katz
Monitor staff
January 10. 2007 8:00AM

The trial of a Plainfield couple who refused to pay income taxes for nearly 10 years began yesterday in federal court with Ed and Elaine Brown each arguing that they do not believe the income tax applies to them.

The couple, who are representing themselves, said they did not dispute the prosecutor's contention that they had opted out of the tax system, but they said they believe they have not broken the law by doing so.

"My husband and I challenged the application of the tax law to us," Elaine Brown said in her opening statement. "We cannot find any statute that requires us to pay."

According to Bill Morse, the assistant United States attorney who is prosecuting the case, the Browns stopped paying income taxes in 1996 and stopped filing tax returns in 1998. Both Browns are accused of conspiring to commit tax fraud, conspiring to disguise large financial transactions and disguising large financial transactions. Elaine Brown, a dentist who practices in Lebanon, has also been charged with evading income taxes and failing to withhold taxes from her employees. Each of the Browns face decades in prison if convicted.

"This case arises from the defendants' attempt to avoid the inevitable: paying their income taxes," Morse said in his opening statement, which detailed the history of the Browns' nonpayment, which he said totals more than $625,000.

But while Morse characterized the Browns' unwillingness to pay as willful tax evasion, the Browns, who each made an opening statement, called their actions a political stand. They claim that after concluding more than a decade ago that they were exempt from the federal tax system, they decided to test the government. Rather than paying federal income taxes, they began sending letters to the IRS demanding an explanation of the relevant law. They said they've received no response to their questions.

In at least one of the letters described in testimony, the Browns acknowledged that they might be inviting criminal prosecution, but in their comments yesterday, they made clear that they do not believe they have broken the law.

"We will once and for all show beyond the shadow of a doubt - not reasonable doubt, beyond the shadow of a doubt - that the federal income tax system is a fraud," Ed Brown said in his opening statement. "For 12 years, they have avoided answering us."

In testimony yesterday, two government witnesses began sketching the Browns' tax history. According to a former accountant who prepared their returns and an IRS investigator who examined their tax records, the couple filed and paid their joint return for at least five years before they decided to opt out in 1996. According to Denise Stark, who had prepared the Browns' taxes, one day Elaine Brown told her that they'd decided to stop paying.

"Elaine explained to me that they were no longer going to file their tax return because there was a law or some sort of a legal reason," Stark said. Stark said she told Brown she disagreed and said the meeting was the end of their professional relationship.

In 1996, the Browns filed a joint return with a zero on the line that should have shown income from Elaine Brown's practice, according to Paul Crowley, an IRS agent who described the document. That year, the Browns claimed they owed no income tax and appended a letter to their return form. According to portions of the letter Crowley read aloud, the Browns' explanation of their return included contentions that the federal income tax only applied to residents of Washington, D.C., or other federal territories and that Supreme Court precedent had found that labor was not taxable.

The following year, Crowley testified, the Browns sent a second letter to the IRS.

"We have been requesting clarification of our status to no avail," it said. After that, Crowley testified, the Browns did not file any tax returns or pay any taxes.

In interviews since their indictment, the Browns have argued that most Americans don't owe federal income taxes, but that government officials conspire to keep them from discovering the truth. It's one of several ways the Browns believe the federal government is undermining personal freedoms. Ed Brown, who led a local militia in the 1990s, is now a leader in a national group called the Constitution Rangers of the Continental Congress of 1777, which he said was established to confront law enforcement figures whenever they violate the Constitution. Brown often wears the Constitution Rangers badge and has the insignia painted on the sides of the couple's two cars.

In the months since their indictment in May, the Browns have filed repeated, lengthy briefs challenging the jurisdiction of the federal court, the legitimacy of the grand jury indictments and the impartiality of the judge, since he's a federal employee.

With a few exceptions, all of these motions have been denied. The Browns have also demanded documents from the government, including personal information about the members of the grand jury, which Judge Steven McAuliffe declined to give them.

Yesterday, shortly after jury selection, Ed Brown asked McAuliffe to promise that he would obey "the letter of the law" during the trial. McAuliffe responded by scolding Brown for challenging his authority.

"This is not a bully pulpit in which you get to filibuster," McAuliffe said. "You're now in trial."

Then he quickly changed his tone and tried to persuade the Browns to consider a lawyer.

"I'm actually begging you," McAuliffe said. "I feel so bad for you both. You really both should have counsel."

From the time of their arraignment, court officials have encouraged the Browns to seek representation. Shortly after their arrest, the Browns said they wanted a lawyer but were having difficulty finding one willing to argue their unconventional views about tax law.

Yesterday, Ed Brown said he and his wife ultimately decided against an attorney because they were concerned that all bar members were too closely tied to the courts to represent their views impartially.

"Attorneys do not understand constitutional law," he said, in an interview after testimony wrapped up. "Attorneys do not understand IRS law."

Instead of an attorney, Ed Brown said he and his wife are relying on a handful of outside advisers, none of them lawyers.

Those advisers were not in court yesterday, Ed Brown said. But nearly a dozen supporters attended the trial yesterday. Most said they were personal friends of the Browns, but a few said they'd heard about the trial on an e-mail listserv targeted to local residents with anti-tax views. In recesses and during the lunch break, several of them offered the Browns suggestions about questions to ask or ways to phrase their arguments.

The trial will continue today and is expected to take five to seven days to complete.

If you would like a primer on how to convince the Feds to file tax charges on you and guarantee that you lose and go to prison, this is about as good a blueprint as you are likely to see. This guy wishes he had a case like Hollis Fincher's right now.

As for what will happen, the Feds waited 11 years for him to pay his taxes, they'll wait him out on this.
 
Isolate the phone, cut off the water and electricity and wait. Odds are that it won't take all that long. Of course, if it's really cold, the newsies will blame the cops for being cruel...

Art
 
Forever Armed said:
The first thing they'll do is gas him. If he has a mask, then that won't work right away. But if he doesn't have one, then gassing him will probably make him surrender.

He's a former exterminator. Assuming he hasn't gotten rid of his equipment, he may very well be better armed and prepared for chemical warfare than the SWAT teams.

If he has a hand pump and a non-electrical heater like a woodstove he might be able to last for years in a standoff.

That'd quickly get more expensive than what he owes.

I think it'd take at least 16 cops on rotating shifts to keep him contained. (4 shifts of 4). At $30k each (cheap), that's 480K/year. More realistically it'd probably end up being in the millions. That's assuming that he hasn't dug a tunnel, or digs one during the siege to get resupply. Just look at the mexicans, on average they find a tunnel down there across the border every month.
 
Must Pay Taxes

Unconstitutional?

Hey, it's not like the 16th amendment wasn't ratified . . . or . . . anything . . . right?

Well, it was almost ratified.

And, hey, after all these years, who's left alive to tell, anyway.

Pay up, sucker.
 
Hey, it's not like the 16th amendment wasn't ratified . . . or . . . anything . . . right?

Even assuming the ratification argument held water, it is not like it would matter except in the form of the tax. All the 16th Amendment did was allow taxation without apportionment.

Congress derives its power to tax from Article I section 8 of the Constitution:

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"
 
Cut of his water? Read the posts He is off Grid no electricity to shut off, Water is from his well not public, Phone? bet there’s a couple of cells in there.

He will come out when he is out of fuel for his generator and out of food, watched all his videos 20 time each etc. Or he will be raided and will either shoot himself or get shot by police. Sounds like a moron to me.

I hope none of our State and local cops get hurt.
 
If more Americans were like him, we'd still have a free country.
Have to agree. I find him a very sympathetic character. The IRS is an outlaw organization with the power to destroy you. It's legalized organized crime, and this guy is standing up to it. Doesn't have a chance, but I admired the Spartans for standing up to the Persians at Thermopylae, and they didn't stand a chance either.
 
Unfortunately this guy is one voice against the all powerful state. He will be crushed because nobody is joining him to fight against the theft of his assets by the state. Are you driving there right now to add the power you have under the 2nd; of course not.

The time is clearly not here for what some might view as justice. And what about the jurors in this case? Rubber stamp, I think, perhaps still faithful to King George.
 
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"
Yes! and Ed Brown is no kook.
 
"If more Americans were like him, we'd still have a free country."

I agree with you completely, Forever Armed. When someone takes a stand, rather than having at least the little bit of courage to at least support him verbally, most, as you've seen, would rather give lip service to the gov't. That is why we are doomed to lose our rights.

And leaving his wife to face the music in court? An honorable way of keeping his wife out of a gun battle, if it comes down to it.
 
From the time of their arraignment, court officials have encouraged the Browns to seek representation. Shortly after their arrest, the Browns said they wanted a lawyer but were having difficulty finding one willing to argue their unconventional views about tax law.

Yesterday, Ed Brown said he and his wife ultimately decided against an attorney because they were concerned that all bar members were too closely tied to the courts to represent their views impartially.

"Attorneys do not understand constitutional law," he said, in an interview after testimony wrapped up. "Attorneys do not understand IRS law."

I feel sorry for the guy, really.
It sounds to me like he's got some kind of mental illness or personality disorder which is helping him to keep digging himself deeper.
Yeah, I agree: He certainly needs an attorney, at least!
 
And what about the jurors in this case?
I'm not sure, but I think if you are being prosecuted by the IRS for not paying taxes, you don't get a jury trial, even though they have the power to put you in jail for as long as they like.
 
Patriots are "foolish" because they don't do what's convenient and submit to tyranny. Baaa-aa-aaaa-a-aaaa-aa

A lot of folks are fed up with the criminal government weenies and they just don't give a damn about paying such a price. I wish there were 100 million more like him.
 
If you figure 4 officers plus a supervisor on duty at all times, doing three 8-hour shifts per day, that's 15 shifts per day. Times 7 days in a week, and you get 105 shifts that have to be filled. Since you don't want any man to work more than five shifts a week, that gives you 21 men needed to do the work. Wages plus insurance (worker's comp, unemployment, etc) plus taxes... Each man has to cost a minimum of $1500.00 per week. That's $31,500 per week.

Sheesh... I hope they can bill this jamoke...
 
Personally, I am OK with people not paying taxes as long as they also don't enjoy the benefits provided by those taxes. I find it difficult to believe that the Browns managed to run up a $625,000 tax bill without taking advantage of the benefits Uncle Sam provides through taxes.

You can either declare your independence and live that way or suckle from the federal teat. You don't get to do both and then declare your patriotic indignation and ask for my sympathy.
 
Wasn't there an IRS agent that bucked the system a few years back?

It would be interesting if he could blog or v-blog or web cam his experience.

FWIW, just because we elect the legislators that make the tax laws, doesn't mean we have representation.
 
It sounds to me like he's got some kind of mental illness or personality disorder which is helping him to keep digging himself deeper.
Sounds to me like he has bought hook, line, and sinker into some of the drivel found on the Internet.

Personally, I am OK with people not paying taxes as long as they also don't enjoy the benefits provided by those taxes.
Unfortunately, we do not operate on a buffet system for services. There is a lot of waste in the tax system and a lot of govt "services" that are simply BS. However, in a society with representative govt and bound by the rule of law, the way we address this is through our legislators. Of course, its easier to sit on your tattered sofa with a beer and a wad of chewin' tabacky and deride all of Congress as corrupt and all Americans as sheep because it relieves one of the responsibilities that are incumbent on free citizens.

This guy will end up as blood stains and brain matter on the carpet. He will nto be hailed as a heor, but rather ridiculed for what he is, a fool.
 
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