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Tax dodgers taunt police from hilltop compound

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  1. Thin Black Line

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  2. Titan6

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    For those of you wondering about the self incrimination question:

    Normally when fail to file a return after a period of time (normally more than three years) the government will file a defacto return for you at the highest possible rate, the worst filing status and without any deductions based upon all income reported by employers and other paying institutions. Fines for failure to file and interest will be piled on as well.

    You can counter the return or pay it. The reason they wait more than three years is so you can't get any money back in case you are due some. They will normally also do this only if it is worth the effort. I don't know what the cut off is but I am guessing it needs to be at least a couple of grand.

    So you never ''have to'' incriminate yourself but if you fail to file you will be levied a fined out of hand without a trial or ever going before a judge anywhere.

    On the Browns- I do wonder about the others in the house. I guess they made it their fight when they went in to support them. I would say that is an unwise choice but one they were free to make.

    Am I reading that they have a kid in the house? If they took kids into the house (say minors under 16) then I would call that unconscionable and say that changes things a bit. Anyone who would use a child as a human shield deserves whatever happens to them and certainly won't get any sympathy from me. Ethics are normally the first casualty of war.
     
  3. Matt King

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    Where did you hear that they had a kid in the house with them?
     
  4. helpless

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    Once again we have the perception that these citizens are held up in a compound. Please try to keep in mind that they are just at there home. There gate is open and there doors are unlocked. No one is being held hostage and no one is using anyone as a human shields.
     
  5. Titan6

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    I am pretty sure Gonzales is a poster here but I don't know which one.

    If I were ever to go to war with federal agents I certainly would not put my kids in the middle.

    To put them into an unsafe situtation like that is not only irresponsible but likely abuse.


    It does not really work anyway. The federal agents kill kids over minor crimes in situations like this anyway. You would think Weaver of all people would know that seeing what happened to his family. I guess as he stated he just does not care anymore. It is a shame his nihilistic attitude invaded the sense of others
     
  6. Matt King

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    If this is the case, do you think there is a chance that federal agents are monitoring THR?
     
  7. Matt King

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    1. How do you define "compound?"

    2. How do you know that their doors are unlocked?
     
  8. Titan6

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    I am sure federal agents monitor as much of whatever they can. This site is hardly anti-government even if it is anti-policy in many cases. With so many racist, criminal and perverted sites on the internet this one would likely be way down the list; at least I would hope so.
     
  9. Correia

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    Yes!

    I've been saying that for years. I've been saying it since 2000, when it was demonstrated to me beyond any possible doubt. Do they monitor it constantly, probably not, but once you're a person of interest, they're going to check out everything you've ever written. And if you think you're anonymous to the government, you are not.

    That is why people who brag about illegal stuff online are morons. If you're going to do something illegal, don't talk about it on the internet.
     
  10. Matt King

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    If you don't mind me asking, what exactly happened in 2000, that demonstrated Federal monitoring beyond reasonable doubt?
     
  11. ConstitutionCowboy

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    I would think there is much more sincerity on a site like THR. If those in government want the true pulse, they will be monitoring this site.

    I would.

    I do!

    Woody

    Look at your rights and freedoms as what would be required to survive and be free as if there were no government. Governments come and go, but your rights live on. If you wish to survive government, you must protect with jealous resolve all the powers that come with your rights - especially with the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Without the power of those arms, you will perish with that government - or at its hand. B.E. Wood

    And a little something extra for the pulse:

    Be careful who you choose to stand behind and support. If you are unwilling to take care of yourself, you must take whatever care that comes along. I've yet to see a flock of sheep, no matter how well cared for and tended, that doesn't get fleeced from time to time and eventually end up on the dinner table. Not many sheep die a natural death. B.E. Wood
     
  12. ilbob

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    I would be amazed if someone from the feds is not monitoring a whole lot of sites. And since it is completely public, there are no issues of privacy, warrants, etc.

    Personally, I think anyone dumb enough to publicly declare they plan to commit some illegal act, or have done so in the past, in such a public way are just asking to be taken in.

    OTOH, it is not as if anyone in the federal government really cares all that much about what we mouth off about here. They certainly understand that 99% of the silliness is just posturing, and are not going to waste a whole lot of time on it.
     
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    Well, without going into too many details, somebody that I was good friends with became a "person of interest". He posted on TFL. He hadn't done anything wrong, but there was an investigation. All of his internet posts were examined. In fact they had printed many of the interesting ones out, and had them in a binder during the interview.

    So if you wouldn't say it in front of your mom, your religious leader, or the local police, don't say it on the internet.

    edited, to say, correction, 2002, not 2000.
     
  14. helpless

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    1. A fortified structure not a house with the doors unlocked.

    2. They have stated that there doors are unlocked.

    So now they are no better than child abusing drug dealers?

    You can not be serious.
     
  15. Titan6

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    There is a curious thing here about the fed using the internet to monitor people.

    It works both ways. There are ways you can tell when someone has been wandering through your files and posts that are not always apparent or even ways everyone might think of. It is amazing what even a simple knowledge of DOS and other operating systems can provide you with and just as with your posts they always go to whoever. Even running a thorough search of your screen name can yeild some interesting results. And the rope runs both ways back up the tree...

    A healthy mistrust of the people results in a healthy mistrust of the government. Since I work for the government myself I have already consenting to being poked and prodded and spied upon and investigated nine ways to Sunday in more ways than one can count. Certainly a little more makes no difference to me.

    It just so happens that I strongly believe in this country even if many of it's current leaders are running amuck trampling on people's rights. For example when the AGUS goes on national TV and says people have no habeas rights despite the constitution and the Supreme Court it is time to pay a lot more attention on what are leaders are doing.

    Sorry for the off topic rant.
     
  16. Matt King

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    And you're just going to take their word for it?


    Dictionary.com defines "Compound" as:

    Don't you think that describes the Brown's residence?
     
  17. Matt King

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    1. Would you mind telling us some of these ways?

    2. Would you mind giving some examples of what exactly a simple knowledge of DOS can provide you with?

    Thanks.
     
  18. KINGMAX

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    No amount of money

    f only money/taxes are involved, leave them alone. Take or exhibit no agressive actions, this by ALL PARTIES INVOLVED. NO amount of $$$$$ is worth outright taking of another's life. Allow them to make their stand, then allow due process of the current law. If the law is wrong it is up to the Amercian People to get it changed. = JMOHO
     
  19. Matt King

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    Ron Paul has come out in favor of the Browns:

     
  20. pcosmar

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    In the interest of intellectual honesty.
    http://www.dailypaul.com/node/451
     
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    "...barricaded..." "His home, with its solar panels and private well, was designed to function "off the grid." Brown said he has enough food to last several months" - copied from one of the blogs supporting them

    Sounds like a compound to me according to the posted definition.

    John
     
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    The lives of this guy and his family are not in danger until he/they fire upon officers attempting to serve the court order which convicts them of several felonies. Until the people at this location (Brown et al) shoot at or otherwise attempt to kill law enforcement officers (of whatever brand), no one's life is in danger.
     
  23. Mumwaldee

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    I respectfully disagree.
     
  24. pcosmar

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    The Feds already fired at a guest there. He was then tasered,arrested and released.
    First rounds fired by the Feds.
     
  25. HiroProX

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    jcoiii, considering that the feds have already fired shots first, I'd say the feds constitute a clear and present danger to the Browns personal safety.

    Place your bets folks. I'd say it's dead money on if they don't surrender they'll be burned out/up.
     
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