Would you date an anti-gun liberal?

Hell no

and Hell no

No. My husband would get very upset.

Seriously....if you are dating, as in "getting to know each other well enough that maybe you'll marry", why on EARTH would you choose to do so with someone who is against one of your core values? Some things need to be "seeing eye to eye" before you get serious, and this is one of them.

Change after marriage...that is a different issue. But to start out with antagonistic positions? Not good.

Springmom

Going into a relationship intending to "change" the other person is a recipe for disaster.

Not no, but hell no.

At some point, the dating relationship may evolve into something deeper. At which time she's going to have enough confidence that she has her meat-hooks in you deep enough that she can change you, and one of the first changes she'll attempt is the guns.

Bail out now and save yourself some grief. Poon's a replaceable commodity and there's too much out there walking around to settle for one with snakes in her head.

Evil Monkey, you're my hero.

And marriage? I'm never going to get married. I'm too greedy for that. I don't like the idea of compromising, it's for weak people.

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Ahh, nothing like relationship advice from a teenager.

Allow her her to amuse you until you find something better. It's like renting a car- drive it like you stole it then turn it back in (for that $15 extra I'm gonna get my money's worth). Buy something you are really enthused over and want keep. Put up with her tripe if she has powers and abilities beyond those of mortals, such that can't be discussed in a family-oriented forum, then dump her when she becomes a bore. Liberal hoplophobes deserve no better.

That said, my wife of 39 years is a jewel. Knows how to use a gun and has the warrior Weltanschauung. Prefers revolvers to autos for SD. She isn't gun-obscessed to the point I am, but then few are. Loves me truly and sincerely (totally returned) and I eat better than anybody else I know. Eating out is usually disappointng because I can do better at home. BTW, if she can cook that justifies "renting" for a while longer.

I'm a pro-gun liberal.

I don't expect everybody to want or even like guns.

Some women want to change guys. Make sure she isn't one of them. Don't let her spring something on you down the road.

allready have,

she was one of those "city girls"
-never shot a gun
-never rode horses or four wheelers
-never hunted

3 months later i had to buy a rifle for her, and a two seat tree stand

Would you date an anti-gun liberal?

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Not only did I date her, we married and Spawned a couple'o times.

Two reasons why it worked:

• she's smart and pretty independent, and I knew that she'd get to A Good Place in her head when confronted with reality
• she (and I) know better than to dictate the others' behaviors

Some folks are anti-gun simply because of their upbringing and environment; they just need learnin'. She was one of those type, just as I had been twenty five years earlier. No many of us grow up in a firearms-centric household; we *all* had to learn it from somewhere.

The key is whether or not your grrlfriend possesses the ability to think and act independently, and allows you the same. If the answer to that is yes, then perhaps her anti-gun behaviors and opinions could be unlearned just as they were learned.

I will tell you, it took a lot out of my wife to let me expose our young to my firearms. But the end result of that is that the Spawn now take it for granted that firearms are just tools to have, my four year old daughter wants a pink AR15 with bayonet, and my wife now has her own Sig P6.

Ahh, nothing like relationship advice from a teenager.

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I've past the teenage years. About my opinion on marriage, I am a product of my environment.

Let me repeat that.

I AM A PRODUCT OF MY ENVIRONMENT

I've seen family members go through divorce, I've seen financial lives ruined, child support bull crap, the bias towards the wife, the emotional issues, etc etc etc. Then you have us gun owners, who have to be weary of additional problems, psycho spouses that may ruin your life for good, all these restraining orders that can be ordered for no good reason, blackmail, and this and that, this, that, this, that.

Oh my god, you can keep all that misery. I don't want none of it.

Today, greed and eccentricity is what I embrace.

I've seen family members go through divorce, I've seen financial lives ruined, child support bull crap, the bias towards the wife, the emotional issues, etc etc etc. Then you have us gun owners, who have to be weary of additional problems, psycho spouses that may ruin your life for good, all these restraining orders that can be ordered for no good reason, blackmail, and this and that, this, that, this, that.

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BTDT. It's still a pretty cool ride, and well worth the price of admission.

Pokin' at marriage becuause of the prospect of divorce is like not wanting to shoot a gun because the loud noise might make you flinch. The fun parts are worth the flinch, and in time you learn how to deal with it, and actually get better at it.

Sure beats sitting on the sidelines watching the other folks shootin'.

May not sound Highroad, but casual sex with the Anti would be as far as I would go...

There are plenty of threads on this subject. I'd recommend reading some.

Cliff Notes: Likely to be a recipe for disaster, relationship-wise. The issue isn't guns, it's control.

Good luck.

I don't enjoy sharing the company of people that can't practice rational thought.

Anyone that can't realize that the anti-gun movement isn't logical, isn't up to my par.

Hell I married one 28 years ago. She slowly came to realize I was not a psychopath. Then came a trip to the range and she looked through an aperture sight for the first time and said "You expect me to hit that from here?" I said "Actually, I expect you to hit the center of that from back here." She said, "That's impossible!!" I said "No, it's not. That's why it's a sport." Long silence, deliberation, then some successes and big smiles.

Then came archery, and practice, and a league and some tournaments with some medals to show for it.

Then a few years later she was OK with me teaching both the boys to shoot. One took to it and found out it was as hard as any sport he'd played-I used to shoot rapid pistol and I'm a bitchy coach. The other one didn't. That's OK.

Then came the Ishy 2A she bought me for Christmas.

Then the C&R license and the UPS truck dropping off the rifles. And she started looking through the books and binders that I put together for each rifle type and said "This is like studying history, huh?" I said "It IS history!"

Now I'll tell her about the latest gun control law they're trying to pass and she says "That's STUPID! Criminals don't care!"

She's a teacher and has started to look with interest at Israel's solution to school violence. Still not a big shooter, recoil shy. But she accepts living in a world where guns are not evil or good, people are.

It's been a journey. But a rewarding, enriching and successful one. We are best friends and life companions and share many hobbies and accept that we don't always have to have the same interests.

That's my story. You have to write your own. The most important thing is to follow your heart.

guitargod:That's exactly it. She's never had a steady job in her life and her parents have always bought her everything(including a mercedes). So of course she doesn't understand the effects of her paycheck going to pointless liberal programs. She grew up in LA, I grew up in the boonies in Illinois...she even get's embarassed if I wear my Med. Sized ALICE pack in public(it's not even camo!).

Ugh...I gotta get out of this.

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You said a mouthful, brutha - being high maintenance and not knowing the value of a hard earned dollar is reason enough to curb her, even if she were PRO-gun!

Quick and fast - LIKE A BANDAID!

Are you friends or just boyfriend/girlfriend? And I mean real friends not just "we get along, pal around and have fun."

Ideally your partner should be your best friend or one of your very best friends.

Depends what you can handle living with and without...
Remember relationships are about sacrifices, and people should be allowed to fully be themselves. And remember what you had before the relationship, and will still have after shes gone. Women come and go, theres always more out there when you want another, and Im sure somewhere theres at least one that can see eye to eye with you on guns, or any other topic thats important to you.

I don't enjoy sharing the company of people that can't practice rational thought.

Anyone that can't realize that the anti-gun movement isn't logical, isn't up to my par.

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so becuase some one has diffrent veiws from yours they are illogical?

Please explain your logic behind that statement.

^^ as stated above you will know the right one when she comes along. She will encourage you to be the best you can be and back you up 100%.
I found the right one once but now I am a widower.
Trust me fishing is a fine sport love is a true art. Sometimes you gotta let one go to get the one you want on the hook.
If you feel it is an irreconcilable difference it would be easier now to let her go rather than later to want out and be stuck.

UH OH

fight fight fight fight.

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Ahh, nothing like relationship advice from a teenager.

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Yeah, it's not like the great gun advice the couch commandos around here give.

To answer the original question, sure. Follow your heart. If she, or you, let a little thing like that get in the way of your relationship, you'll never make it as a married couple.

I once tried. Here is what happened.

At one point, the neighboring county proposed a handgun registration scheme, and I went to the hearing. One of the antis, from the old NCBH (the United Methodist Church gun ban group) was a very pretty girl. I wasn't married or engaged at the time, so after the meeting I approached her, with thoughts of a discussion over a candlelight dinner and maybe even some pillow talk.

She knew who I was (the opposing groups were on different sides of the room), and for some reason I asked her what, in terms of gun control, would make her happy. Her pretty face distorted and her response was, "I won't be happy until every one of you gun freaks is shot dead and the gutters run with your blood!" I gave up on the candlelight dinner idea.

Jim