Sigs are better than Glocks !

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I know it is happening in my area. I have been to the Range more than once this past year where agencies that had been carrying Glocks were transitioning to other designs, the XD in particular. I have talked to some of the cops and it was their feeling that they were switching because someone up the chain felt that the newer designd were safer.

As far as whether or not Glock achieved more than 40% percent of the Law enforcement market it may have been as high as 60% but I do not know that for sure. I do know for sure that it was higher than 40% and, for sake of not having to argue about it I chose to state it that way. Somuch for that logic.:eek:
 
so which are better?? sigs or glocks? what about springfield armory XDs?? I remember reading somewhere that they were the gun to "out glock" the glock.
 
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so which are better?? sigs or glocks? what about springfield armory XDs?? I remember reading somewhere that they were the gun to "out glock" the glock.
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OK, I'll be serious.

Having shot an M&P and an XD a lot while owning a Glock, they do not "out glock" the Glock. All three are awesome, reliable and accurate pistols. It comes down to preference as they all feel and point different.

Sigs are also great guns but I prefer a CZ-75 for my DA/SA shooting. I also prefer the $200 dollars I will save.

All mentioned are great guns and I thought the original post was a joke or troll type post but people are really into it.
 
I had a glock 17 that would stovepipe alot. I sent it to Glock and they said everything was fine. When I got it back it would still stovepipe

Never had any other problems with my berretta 92, ruger p95, or Cz 75's that I held in the exact same manner and with the exact same ammo.

Then I saw this video:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Sturmgewehre#p/u/6/Jh9JhCyFFxA

and this one

http://www.youtube.com/user/Sturmgewehre#p/u/5/fsewsolPyBU

And realized the problem was that glocks are more susceptible to limp wristing.

Like I said with the same ammo and the same grip the berretta 92, cz 75, and ruger p-95 were always 100%

I view this as a design flaw, one should not have to maintain a certain grip just to have the gun cycle correctly, even if its the correct way of doing things.

What if you are wounded in one arm and cant maintain a firm two handed grip or have a weakened grip due to age, blood loss, or injury?

I think glocks are fine guns, but they are just not for me.
 
Just to report the facts.

I did end up shooting earlier today. About 33 degrees with a 10 mph wind. Kinda cold.

I didn't hang long, but did run about 100 rounds through a 229SCT. About the middle of the 3rd magazine I had a FTE. Knew it right off. Cold? Lube? Both? Don't know, I re lubed and kept going.
 
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I view this as a design flaw
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The Glock's susceptibility to limpwristing is due to its light weight. The reason other service size pistols are more tolerant of poor grips is because they are significantly heavier.
 
I also know that at one point, Glock had captured more than %40 of the LEO Market while brands like S&W, Springfield, HK and SIG divied up the the rest of the market.
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That is not the case in my area, S&W M&P, Berretta and Springfield out number the Glock. Glock made drastic price cuts in the past to get the LE business in my area, the other companies are now offering better deals and gaining a bigger foot hold.
 
well, I certainly am no pro here, but I really like the XD. I have not owned a glock. I checked them out before I bought my XD. for some reason, the XD just appealed to me more. it seemed to me to just be better built. like its better quality. I might be wrong and made the wrong chioce. I dont know. but I really like the XD. I have read alot of good things about it earning a good reputation like the glock has.
 
You made a good choice. There is nothing wrong with the XD, it's just sometimes the XD guys get a little puffy chested and we have to put them back in their place.
 
chuckusaret

Just for you brother, I found this taken from an article in November 2008 on Policeone.com.

But as other companies struggle with incremental gains, GLOCK, Inc., with over 65% of Law Enforcement using their handguns featuring the highly regarded “Safe Action System” continues to set a blistering pace in agency conversions. More and more agencies are determining that rock solid reliability and world class customer service combined with an economical price tag win out over marketing and pricing schemes dreamed up to move excess inventory. In the last eighteen months GLOCK, Inc. has converted over eighty (80) agencies in the United States from a single competitor. This success has carried over to the conversions of agencies from other competitors as well.

So, as much as I hate to admit it, Reaper was right. I will not repeat that ever again.:evil: So it does appear that Glocks are better or 65% of the LE community is choosing to carry inferior weapons.:rolleyes:
 
Glocks and Sigs are both rugged and boringly reliable guns.

Arguing over which one is better just proves you are a silly fanboy.

So... of course Sigs are better. :D
 
I can certinaly see the endless disagreement. like someone said, the old classic ford vs. chevy arguement. I have a sig, and I have a XD, I really like them both alot. would I own a glock? sure. No problem. I have nothing against glock. I just like the sig and xd better. while I am not putting glock down in any way, I would probably buy another XD in a longer barrell or different caliber before I bought a glock.
 
I love the fact so few people know that the XD started out as the HS2000. They did not sell well at all under that name plate even though they were essential the exact same gun.

Springfield buys the rights to market it and sell it in the US, they still make it in Croatia, rename it EXTREME DUTY and the US public eats it up. People see Springfield and think its a US made gun. Suddenly it is the NRA gun of the year Blah Blah Blah.... Sales go through the roof.

I am not knocking it. It is a decent gun but it cracks me up how easily the US consumer is swayed by marketing hype.
 
well for me it wasnt really hype. I just went to the gun store and started looking at guns. I had no idea what the XD was. just started comparing it with others and ended up buying one based on features, value, etc....
 
Just for you brother, I found this taken from an article in November 2008 on Policeone.com.

But as other companies struggle with incremental gains, GLOCK, Inc., with over 65% of Law Enforcement using their handguns featuring the highly regarded “Safe Action System” continues to set a blistering pace in agency conversions. More and more agencies are determining that rock solid reliability and world class customer service combined with an economical price tag win out over marketing and pricing schemes dreamed up to move excess inventory. In the last eighteen months GLOCK, Inc. has converted over eighty (80) agencies in the United States from a single competitor. This success has carried over to the conversions of agencies from other competitors as well.

So, as much as I hate to admit it, Reaper was right. I will not repeat that ever again. So it does appear that Glocks are better or 65% of the LE community is choosing to carry inferior weapons.
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They are choosing the cheapest weapon that still meets their requirements. Glocks cost less to manufacture. The actually costs to produce a Glock is under $200 and that is with labor. They can then turn around and sell them to a department directly for under $300 and still make a huge profit. On top of that they buy back the old ones and sell them to people like CDNN and make money again without having to produce a new pistol.

That drives the profit from a LEO Glock sales into the $150 to $200 a gun range. That is almost key-stoning the margin on your product. This is what keeps Glock in the LEO market. It has little to do with the superiority of the product.

I am not a Glock fan but they are good guns and if I had to I would stake my life on it. The Glock 19 is my personal favorite of the Glock lineup. Perfect combination of size capacity and weight.
 
This is the first time I've heard of "XD" standing for "Extreme Duty". They haven't been marketing that hype very well.
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If you don't know your past then you don't know your future. This is what XD stands for. Has been from day one of Springer taking over the US distribution. The original marketing push was "eXTREME"!

HS2000 pistol has been developed by Croatian IM Metal company for Croatian army during late 1990s. Production of the 9mm HS2000 started in 1999, with the first pistols being delivered to the Croatian army the same year. In 2000 these pistols first appeared in the USA, initially imported under their original name. However, in late 2001 the Springfield Armory Company of Genseo, Illinois, became the sole importer of HS2000 pistols in USA. Springfield offers a slightly improved version of HS2000 as the Springfield XD (eXtreme Duty pistol), and by now these pistols (still made in Croatia) are available in a variety of sizes, calibers and finishes.

After several years of aggressive sales, these pistols gained good reputation and serious following among American shooters, and by now several police departments in USA either issue these pistols on regular basis or approve them for personal purchase by police officers. http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg48-e.htm

The reality is that until it was branded as a Springfield pistol they had a very small following with very low sales.
 
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