Energy is the ability to do work.....infact when you do not want to risk bullet failure, you decrease velocity but increase weight (and subsequently SD) balancing the energy factor in a different way....you still have energy.....physics 101
How many times have I heard nonsense in the name of "physics 101". Here's a little article on energy, with some quotes from John Taylor. For once I actually agree with something posted on Chuck Hawks' website.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/myth_muzzle_energy.htm
You also forgot the little quote from Gary Reeder. When asked to compare the actual killing power of the big sixgun cartridges to the legendary .375H&H, he had this to say:
"If you go by the TKO system and forget energy figures (which most hunters should do), the 510 and the 375 are just about equal with around 40 TKO each, the 475 Linebaugh a bit below at 36 or so. This also brings up the topic many people argue on, that being whether a heavy bullet penetrates more than a lighter one. Anyone that has hunted in Africa with a 375 H&H will attest to the fact that in almost every case a 375 H&H bullet will go all the way thru a big animal. In most cases, on a big animal the 475 and 510 will not go all the way thru a large animal, even though it breaks more bones and causes a lot of internal tissue damage.
So what your friends are doing is comparing apples to oranges. Either of the 3 calibers will kill a large animal just as quick as the other ones. In theory the 510 and 375 have the same amount of power with the 475 lagging a bit behind. But that is just in theory. In actual use I don't think there is a bit of difference in the 3 if shot placement is in the right spot."
Statements like this coupled with the results of the penetration tests done at the Linebaugh seminars plus all the critters that have been killed with handguns should make any sane person question the viability of muzzle energy. Since muzzle energy is SO dependent upon velocity and seeing how a 430gr .475 penetrates compared to big bore rifles with much higher velocity, maybe that should make you question the importance of velocity too???
For the record, I never said that velocity was unimportant. I said that at handgun levels, it has been proven that going much beyond 1200fps with cast bullets does not increase killing ability or penetration, only flattening trajectory. Given that, out of the stack of factors influencing a big bore's effectiveness on game, it is the least important.
It was exactly the answer I was expecting...it makes you feel a little bit better when you know that you have a PH with a big boomer behind your back if your tiny handgun fails.....
Really, that's the response you expected when you said this:
I would LOVE to know who back them in these endeavours.....a platoon of PHs armed with 458 WM???
This is just silly. The PH is not there so you can perform a stunt with an ineffective weapon. He is there not only to get you to the game but to back up his client only in the event that he has to. He's there regardless of what the client is hunting with. So your effort to discredit handgun hunters in this way failed nicely. Why? Because you don't know anything of what you're talking about. Nice try at backpedalling though.
I'm starting to suspect that you are 15 years old....
Who's getting personal and who's talking about ballistics???
Pleading blatant ignorance is fine,but i and others here would like you to at least try to coherantly explain why you think the 12 gauge slug cannot be used against bear even though it has been used with great success many many times. If you need to use more links thats fine as well.
Prove it. I show you tests that prove that velocity is unimportant, that a heavy sixgun slug can penetrate as deeply as a heavy rifle, you say "you're wrong". I show you penetration tests done with slugs that are far superior to your Brenneke that only penetrate as well as medium weight sixgun bullets and you just ignore it. I show you handgun hunters, you say "you're wrong". I discredit your tests as incomplete, you say "you're wrong". I give you the testimony of a professional bear guide/gunwriter, you say "you're wrong". I come to conclusions based on factual data, you say "you're wrong". All you have done is say "you're wrong". With zero evidence to support it. Simply saying "it works, people have done it" ain't good enough.
...frankly to continue throwing a tantrum even though you know that you are wrong is absurd.
Who's throwing a tantrum??? I'm just trying to get some truth. Apparently you guys don't really know why slugs work or don't work. You just think I'm wrong. You're just blinded by the whole energy bill of goods.
I'm still waiting for someone to point out that magical factor that I seem to be missing. What makes slugs work when everything we know about dangerous game tells us otherwise???
(on a side note, better a 16 yo that actually knows his stuff than an adult that doesn't and pretend to know)
