.17 Winchester super mag

[hickskateboarder]

Haha The Hmr Blows Squirrels In Half, GoTta Shoot Them In The Head. Don't Know Why My Phone Is Deciding To Capitalize Everything.....

 

[Eb1]

You can't even get Winchester Xpert 36 grain HP for .22 LR. As far as squirrel goes, the .22 Short HP is the best rimfire cartridge ever used for that task.
It is quite, and doesn't scare them off. You can load 25+ in a nice bolt action rifle. They do not tear up a lot of meat if you do happen to hit to far back.

Does anyone have a link to the new Winchester cartridge.

 

[Clark]

swampcrawler

I personally wish the 17hm2 would have been ore successful. Lots of us think it is the best squirrel round ever devised. Oh well. I think it flopped because it was les powerful than the earlier HMR, so hopefully the win mag, being more powerful, will be more of a success. If it does take off I will certainly hav someone make me a contender barrel for it. Or maybe even build a bolt gun for it.

I bought a 17HM2 reamer in 2007.
I put a Majestic Arms 17M2 barrel with Lothar Walther liner, Power Custom handle, on a STS trigger 10/22.

It does two holes touching at 50 yards, then a flyer, and then it jams. Occasionally it blows out a case head. Wear the eye protection.

In 2007 the prices for ammo were:
1) The 17HMR is 22 cents to 25 cents a shot.
2) The 17HM2 is 10 cents to 14 cents a shot.
3) The 22WMR is 12 cents to 14 cents a shot.
4) The 22LR is 4 cents to 10 cents a shot.


I made a lifetime buy of 17HM2 ammo at the introductory price of 10 cents for the Eley.
I am looking for a 22LR rifle to rebarrel.

The 17HMR is unfit for prairie dogs at one range, and for 17HM2 it is even closer.
The correct ammo for me is downloaded .223, 35 gr at 3500 fps.

But for ground squirrels, the 17 rimfires can find a niche.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

"and then broke up rapidly on the skin and in the fat, and didn't penetrate much."

I think that would have to be one hefty buck of a squirrel! Within 100 yds, the 17HMR is pretty dang snappy.

You betcha!

The .17 HMR (and the .22 WMR with hollowpoints) is a poor squirrel rifle not because it doesn't kill well, but because it doesn't leave much squirrel to eat unless you make all head shots.

 

[Geno]

I have been doing some reading on it. While it looks to have promising ballistics, and I agree that their projected cost for ammunition is less than factory-loaded centerfires, reloading would probably level the playing field in terms of costs. I made a post here...

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=720303&highlight=BMag

...looking for others' thoughts. That rifle is just odd-looking as heck. I'm not saying I would not purchase one, but it's all Marvin Martian looking to me.

Geno

 

[351 WINCHESTER]

I guess one of the deciding factors will be the price and availability of the ammo. Only time will tell if it hangs on. I didnt' think the .17hmr would survive, but it did.

 

[Eb1]

From personal experience with pellet guns from a kid I have never enjoyed anything .17 caliber. I always choose the .22 caliber and .25 caliber pellet guns. Yes, they went slower in fps, but the kill ratio I have had with .22 and larger pellet guns is way higher than friends with .177 calibers shooting 300 fps faster.
I am speaking of hits also. Not misses. I have seen varmints hit with the .177 pellet gun just run off to die. I hit them with the .22 cal or .25 cal, and they fall out dead.
This has always stuck in the back of my mind when it came to buying rimfire cartridges.

 

[22-rimfire]

I don't believe rifles have hit the market yet. I am interested but have no earthly need for a rifle in this caliber. I'm comfortable with the 22 WMR if I need more oomph in a rimfire. We'll see...

 

[Johnny Lightning]

I live in an area that is rim fire and shotgun only for hunting so I will be watching how well the new hopped up rim fire does. I currently have a .17hmr that is deadly on groundhogs but I wouldn't mind having the ability to reach out to 300yrds w/ the new super .17. I believe browning is making a single shot rifle along w/ whatever rifle Savage is making.

 

[Davek1977]

LOL@ the .17 HMR being underpowered for squirrels. Don't believe EVERYTHING you hear!

 

[bwsmith]

Got my Savage BMag rifle and a bunch of ammo. the 17WSM is a fun little cartridge.

 

[Gtscotty]

You should post up a range report, it would be interesting to see some chrono readings and groups!

 

[bwsmith]

I created a new thread so people looking for info and photos didn't have to dig a few pages. Unfortunately, my Chrono met with an untimely end.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=721639

 

[45ShooterRFB]

Yep advertised 20gr@3k fps compared to the HMR's 17 gr at 2550 and the hornet's 20 gr @ 3650.

Fastest rimfire ever, supposed 2 inch-ish drop @ 200 from a 100yd zero. Ballistic coefficient of .185 with a 20gr vmax
Compared to .125 for the HMRs 17gr vmax

In other words looks like the badest rimfire ever devised.
Unfortunatly I believe it's doomed to flop.

badest rimfire ever??? Look up the MKR Assault rifle in 4.5X26RF! 25 grain pill at 3,280 FPS! And 20-25 rounds per second from a 50 round mag in "Fun" mode! BC was .254, IIRC? and a trajectory like a ray gun out to 300 M or so. One of the arguments against it at the time was that it would lack "Stopping Power" with only 780 J, again IIRC. But more people here are killed with the .22 Long Rifle than any other caliber each year and every National Army on the planet with pretentions of grandure has run test that all indicate it only takes 50-60 foot pounds to kill or cause a casualty. Then find a vidio of the American 180, a .22 LR SMG with a similar rate of fire, but much more recoil to how it worked. Also look up police use of the A-180 to get a real thrill up your leg!

 

[rcmodel]

The only thing about that one was, it never worked, or ever entered military of civilian service.
Or production of any kind.

If it was all they said it was?

Someone in the world would be using it for something now.
Or a commercial manufacture would be making guns & ammo for it now.

But they aren't.

rc

 

[JRWhit]

I have nearly decided that the 17HMR is too devistating for squirrel. Very messy. Almost like using a circ saw to cut tooth picks.
So what nich will this 17 WSM fill? Might make a good prairie dog puncher?

 

[colonelhogan44]

Unless those squirrels are pests. Then it works wonderfully!

 

[jerkface11]

If you use the FMJ ammo HMR is just fine for squirrels. If you're using the expanding stuff take headshots or don't shoot anything under 75 yards.

 

[bracer]

I m a 17 caliber fan and have 17 HM2, 17 HMR, 17 Hornet, 17 Fireball, and 17 Rem rifles. There has ben various problems with some the new Savage B Mag rifle made for the Winchester 17 Super Mag cartridge . There is more info at rimfirecenteral about the 17 WSM . Very little Ammo has shown up in the stores where I live. With only Winchester making ammo and a single shot rifle and with Savage making a bolt action rifle the cartridge may die off like the Rem 5 MM cartridge.

 

[quartermaster]

I also am interested in the new .17. I do love my 17HMR. It's super accurate and is deadly even for woodchucks out to 125 yards for me. usually past that distance, the .204 usually comes into play. That is a super fun gun to shoot also. A bit more pricey than the rim fires to shoot, but fairly inexpensive to load.

I didn't think the HM 2 would die, but it is disappearing fast. I am afraid to consider buying the short mag 17, as much as it sounds like it would be great fun. I'm afraid ammo will be the biggest problem problem. I hope I am wrong.

Time will tell

 

[CB900F]

Fella's;

I've seen the Savage B-Mag for the .17 Winchester round in shops here in Outer Montana. After handling it, I didn't want one. I have also seen the ammo upon rare occasion, but not recently. I have never seen both the ammo and the gun for sale in the same shop at the same time.

With the above being noted, here's my take on the subject: I too think it's doomed to fail, because Winchester/Savage is making the same mistake that Remington did with the 5mm magnum. One rifle manufacturer, one ammo supplier, equals one failed product. OTOH, look at the huge success story of the .17HMR. Hornady created the round, but let any rifle manufacturer that wanted to make a gun. Not only that, they let other ammo makers make the round also. And they laugh all the way to the bank.

900F

 

[JHansenAK47]

OTOH, look at the huge success story of the .17HMR. Hornady created the round, but let any rifle manufacturer that wanted to make a gun. Not only that, they let other ammo makers make the round also. And they laugh all the way to the bank.

It also uses the same action and magazines as the 22WMR. That little fact gave it a foot in the door to an established aftermarket.

 

[DM~]

I was in a Cabela's in WV last week, they had WSM ammo on the shelf, I could have bought plenty...

They also had 22LR ammo and everyone was walking right past it...

DM

 

[joneb]

I wonder how a .22 cal bullet would perform in that bigger case?
View attachment 209471
Whats missing is a 22 Super Mag.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Like a .22 Hornet? Very well, indeed. I load the Hornady 35 grain V-Max ahead of a case full of Hodgdon't Li'l Gun for about 3,000 fps. It blows crows apart and kills coyotes graveyard dead.