30-30 Lever vs Wondernine for Homedefense? (over penetration not an issue)

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I use a Browning BAR .270 solely for hunting, but as of 2 months ago I acquired a 1964 Marlin 336 30-30, from my grandpa. I have put much time into learning how to shoot the 336 accurately, while both maintaining sight picture & loading it after the magazine is 1/2 way depleted, thus always keeping it topped off.

I now feel confident with dedicating it as my home defense weapon. Over penetration is not an issue for I live on a large piece of property next to miles of potato fields, and pine forest. I also have a Taurus PT92, but feel great confidence in the 30-30 stopping power, if the rare event were to arise to use lethal force.

So now here come the questions to THR.

What's the best self defense ammo for 30-30? I am assuming any soft point 150gr as it is the fastest and designed to expand into medium size game.

Does the 30-30 have the stopping power to immediately incapacitate 2 legged prey with a centermass shot?

Over penetration put aside, what would yall feel more confident with, a lever 30-30 with 6+1 soft point, or a wonder-nine with 18 rds of 124gr Gold Dot?


These questions might seem redundant, but I am genuine to know yalls opinions! I am basically trying to convince myself that the 336 is a better option for home-defense compared to my 9mm pistol. I mean the 336 is light,short, quickly able to sight, and shoots very accurately even with quick follow up shots.

The only downfall is magazine capacity as it holds 6+1, and, My Taurus holds 17+1 gold dot 9mm. But I Am hoping that the 30-30 stopping power from 1 shot will be more than enough to sacrifice magazine capacity.


I know all of this might seem paranoid, but I had several power tools stolen from my pickup a few days ago by a couple of methheads, while it was parked outside. I live on a lot of property, and the event really woke me up to be more prepared. The criminals got caught, and were responsible for multiple house and vehicular robberies in the county. I eventually would like to get a high capacity semiautomatic rifle, but will have to make due with what I have until price & availability get better.

I appreciate all your help and opinions!
 
1. A rifle always beats a pistol.

2. No caliber can guarantee a 1-shot instant stop.

3. The 30-30 is much more likely to do it most of the time then the 9mm.

rc
 
In the home, in a confined space, the rifle is a poor choice IMO. Too long and unwieldy. Also too easy for an intruder to leap out of the dark and grab the barrel commencing a wrestling match for control of the gun.

I recommend a good handgun for home defense.
 
1. A rifle always beats a pistol.

Can't say much more than that.

I don't know who said it, I think Clint Smith or he repeated it from someone else. "Your pistol is useful to fight your way back to your long-gun, which you never should have put down in the first place." While not verbatim, that was the general idea.

While the gun grab theory is a sound argument, I still prefer the firepower and shootability of a long gun. Your old thutty-thutty will do just fine.
 
I'd say whichever you feel more comfortable and can shoot best. Mine is a Marlin 1894c .357. I also have a 336 but the .357 is more compact and fast-handling.
 
In the home, in a confined space, the rifle is a poor choice IMO. Too long and unwieldy. Also too easy for an intruder to leap out of the dark and grab the barrel commencing a wrestling match for control of the gun.

I recommend a good handgun for home defense.
I agree.
 
Why do people always bring up the "he might grab the barrel" question? If he does, shoot him. That means he is trying to disarm you and probably use your own gun against you.
 
While it might be a better choice ballistically than my 9mm Glock, my Marlin .30-30 wears a scope and is less than ideal in that configuration for shooting indoors. My Mossberg 500 is a better choice than my .30-30 in my situation.

jm
 
Mine is a Marlin 1894c .357.
me too! but the wife uses it, me, I got a 12 ga. on my side of the bedroom.
Go ahead and grab my barrel. Loud boom, big flash, end of story
trust me we have practiced this with sticks, used my 6'5" 390 lb bil. in various situations and areas in the dark, he could not do it, and he tried real hard not to be embarrassed.
Just my .02 .YMMV
 
I am going to have to say that I would prefer a shotgun for home defense.

shorter (than a rifle) in the right configurations, superior power to both a rifle and handgun when using the correct loads, and greater effectiveness at that range, given the home defense senario.

all that said, I would not hesitate to use any of my handguns, rifles, or shotguns in a situation that requires me to defend my home....
 
IMHO, the .30-30 is a great hunting round, I'm not sure I want it as a HD round. To start with you will have to deal with over penetration and muzzel flash in a confined space.
Not saying it wouldn't do, but I think there are better options out there.
 
Yeah, after consulting with some law enforcement buddies of mine, I'm just gonna buy a 12ga pump shotgun this week.

They said the 9mm was adequate, the 30-30 more than adequate, but a 12 gauge pump with 3" 00 Buck would be absolutely, positively devastating against an assailant. And they make several models which are capable of holding 8 shot shells. I also didn't realize that they could be bought used for so cheap either. So appreciate all the advise & opinions.

Commonsense told me the rifle is better than a handgun, and I should of remembered the definition of a shotgun is close quarter defense, perfect home protection!
 
I can't fathom a reason why anyone could get close enough to the muzzle of my rifle before putting one in the chest. And if it was the case of the gun being out of ammo, an uppercut butt stroke, or muzzle lunge would be quite adequate with the weight of a rifle/shotgun in my opinion. I was just worried about the magazine capacity being a tradeoff for stopping power.
 
I think one problem with a shotgun is many people think you can't miss, false. The other is you won't be able to hear for a long time after firing one indoors.
 
I think one problem with a shotgun is many people think you can't miss, false. The other is you won't be able to hear for a long time after firing one indoors.

I fully agree with you, but a shotgun is a much more effective defense weapon in this situation in that it can be more of a point and shoot weapon. even a 4 to 6 inch pattern has a better chance of hitting the target than a 9mm, 30 cal, .45 .40 or other single projectile... that is assuming the use of buck shot.

once you move into the relm of the slugs, accuracy is comparable to the others, but knock down power is considerably better.

as far as sound.... I dont think any gun in a confined space would be pleasant and I can better deal with the BOOM sound of a shotgun than the crack of a rifle any day.
 
. Also too easy for an intruder to leap out of the dark and grab the barrel commencing a wrestling match for control of the gun.

I recommend a good handgun for home defense.
You shouldn't be house clearing. Have both and maybe use tha wondernine if you for some reason need to house clear, or the .30-30 fails.

I think one problem with a shotgun is many people think you can't miss, false. The other is you won't be able to hear for a long time after firing one indoors.
I doubt it would be worse than a .30-30.

Why do people always bring up the "he might grab the barrel" question? If he does, shoot him.
You might not be able to, the bbl mighgt be pointing the wrong way, or he might not stop even if shot, even with a .30-30. (There are accounts of people taking multiple 7.62x39 rounds, valid police ones, and that has about the same power as .30-30, and even a few accounts of veterans being shot in WW2 and not stopping, probably hit by 8mm mauser)


am going to have to say that I would prefer a shotgun for home defense.

shorter (than a rifle) in the right configurations,
Probably not shorter than a levergun. Though I do agree that a shotgun is better.


I can't fathom a reason why anyone could get close enough to the muzzle of my rifle before putting one in the chest.
Corners if you are for some reason house clearing, which you shouldn't be. Also, the round might not stop the attacker or stop in time to prevent a struggle.
 
Vicious Peanut- Something like 1 out of 4 cops shot in the line of duty get shot with their own guns after a criminal managed to wrestle it away from them, and these were pistols, not rifles which are much easier for an attacker to grab. It can happen to anyone. Your macho attitude inspires false confidence and can get you killed.

Bill2E- That demonstration in the video regarding the position of the pistol held with extended arms vs. the length of the rifle is utterly meaningless. It's not when in firing position that you really worry about a gun-grab attempt, it's when moving and the gun is not held in a shooting position. Here the pistol can be kept close to the body while even a short rifle will still be a bigger target for a grab.

I agree use what feels best to you. But the pistol really makes much more sense indoors. Now if you have acreage then take a rifle.
 
Both weapons require training an a variety of contexts to use effectively. The "unwieldy" nature of a rifle in the home simply means that poster has no idea what to do with a rifle. Obviously, no Marine would ever enter a building in Fallujah with an "unwieldy" M4 carbine.

Train...then train some more.
 
Probably not shorter than a levergun. Though I do agree that a shotgun is better.
pistol grip, folding or 6 postion stock, and an 18 inch barrel.. that is shorter than any lever 30-30 I have handled...
 
It seems to me that it would be much easier to hold on to a rifle in a struggle: two hands. And the bad guy has the end that makes the makes a loud noise and spouts fire and lead.

My instints tell me a short rifle or shotgun is ideal for home defense. That's why I have an M1 Carbine and the missus has a SXS shotgun.

A 30-30 should be even easier to hold on to, with your hand inside the lever loop.
 
I am basically trying to convince myself that the 336 is a better option for home-defense compared to my 9mm pistol.

The 336 is an excellent rifle and 30-30 in any imaginable bullet is a better stopper but even with overpenetration not being an issue (if you live by yourself and there is no one for 2 miles in any direction) I thibnk you're better off with your 9mm.

1. The ability to move in confined spaces is much better with a handgun.

2. Nothing is required for the second shot, no working the lever etc with your 9mm. Important if your first misses, doesn't stop, or there is multiple assailants.

The shotgun backed up with the 9mm is a good idea.
 
Listen guys, I was just wondering if one 30-30 (150gr or 170gr soft point) shot center mass would drop a criminal immediately, god forbid I had to.

In particular, if a 30-30 shot through a non vital point in the body would be just as ineffective as a 9mm hollow point shot through a non vital point in the body. If vital shots are all that need be applied, well hell I can do that with my PT92 and have 18 opportunities to do so!

I have seen deer shot with 30-30. One instance I can remember the entrance hole barely visible above the right of its shoulder, but the exit hole on the other side was like 6 or 8" wide with pieces of the lung blown out. Although the deer died, It's adrenaline crazed self sprinted at least 100 yards in open field, before collapsing.

This is particular the reason I use a Browning .270 semi-auto rifle for hunting deer. It's bigger caliber and ability to immediately follow up shots if needed, make it a gift to man. Especially considering how damn small Florida deer are compared to the rest of the country.

And again, I sincerely appreciate all the advice & opinions given by yall!
 
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