.38 Special or .357 Magnum for self defense?

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I carry Gold Dot 38+P in my airweight snub. For my 4" k-frame .357 revolvers, I keep them loaded with FBI 38+P loads. I especially like the Buffalo Bore version. If I'm at my cabin in the woods, I load up with full-house magnum rounds. Too many bears and cougars active at night in that neighborhood. :scrutiny:
 
I own several 357 magnum revolvers. I like to roll my own ammo; and I prefer to use ONLY 357 length cases that are loaded to, more or less, +P 38 Special velocities. (Works for me!) :)
 
The .357 is great for outdoor/cross country trips and rest stops at night. It penetrates cars and trucks and can really mess up a bad guy in wide spacious areas.

In homes, townhouses and apartments, you're much better off with a good .38 Spc or a Ruger .22LR auto. The .38 w/110gr JHP or so +P will not overpenetrate and will be plenty effective.

In residences I'm fearful of putting a hole in a wall and having it hit someone in the next room or apartment. If you live out in the the middle of nowhere, go for the magnum (125gr JHP), but it's packs a powerful blast.

Some people load two .38 rounds followed by magnums in the rest of thr chambers. You can also try that.
 
It seems to me that many people use .38 Special in revolvers that were designed for .357 Magnum for self defense because of the greater controllability of the former. Given the choice which do you use or would you use for self defense?
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More effective than the .38 Special and more comfortable than the .357 Magnum. ;)
 
Shot placement is more important than bullet size and power

I use the 38 special Gold dot +P in my Ruger SP 101 ,357 magnum and it is quite adequate. Follow-up shots with the 38 special is faster than with the ,357 magnum. Most important is shot placement, regardless of bullet size and power.
 
Although this may seem a bit gruesome, when my neighbor committed suicide I'm glad he used a .38 spl. After leaving his temple the round hit my house on my bedroom wall.

Had he used a .357 it most likely would've penetrated all the way through the outside wall. When the coroner knocked on my door to tell me she needed to pry the slug out of my vinyl siding, I was left with the question of "How do you tell the widow that the siding needs to be replaced?"

I decided to just pay for it & forget it. And I really did forget, that happened in about 1997 or so, & I hadn't thought about it till just now. I don't think Mrs Zannacker ever knew.
 
.357 is obviously more powerful, hit hard. But, there are down sides to it indoors and low light and in recoil recovery. That's why my pocket carry is a .38+P. It's enough. I love the .357 as an outdoor round for game and humans, but as a carry, I stick with .38. Too, the big advantage of .357 over .38 is from 4" guns or longer. They still have more zap in a 2" gun, just not as much difference and the muzzle flash/bang is even worse. So, you just got to weigh all this and make up your own mind. Me, this is JMHO.
 
Either will do in a K frame or larger.

Using magnums in a J frame introduces controllability issues far as I'm concerned. When I carried a 640 I could still max the qual course with magnums but it was what I considered too hard to maintain control. I carried +P or +P+ and I could shoot a lot faster.

You don't gain much using magnums in a 2" barrel.
 
Smith & Wesson does NOT recommend a steady diet of 357 magnum ammunition for, 'K' frame revolvers. If the, 'K' frames were OK with 357 magnum then the, 'L' frames would never have been invented. (So be careful!) ;)
 
Federal 158gr. +P .38 Special "FBI" load.

I can't imagine somebody being happy to be hit with that unless they were on fire or dying a painful death by cancer.
 
I carried and used (twice) a Colt .357 my first tour in Viet Nam. But that gun, with its 6" barrel is a bit much for concealed carry. When I carry a revolver for self defense, it's usually my Colt Detective Special, a .38 Special.

Of all the snubbies I've shot, the Ruger SP 101 is the only one I'd use .357s in -- the rest are mostly downright painful to shoot much. My feeling is if you practice with them with .357s, you'd develop bad habits. If you are intimidated and don't practice with them, you won't perform well when the chips are down.
 
You said "self defense" but didn't say whether it would be home or conceal carry...

Strictly my opinion...

For home, definitely the .357 - lot's more ft lbs and you can practice with slightly cheaper .38 ammo.

For CC, I would personally pick a 6 shot .38 snubbie. I like the Taurus 856 Magnesium 6 shot. It's only 13 oz.
 
Smith & Wesson does NOT recommend a steady diet of 357 magnum ammunition for, 'K' frame revolvers. If the, 'K' frames were OK with 357 magnum then the, 'L' frames would never have been invented. (So be careful!) ;)
Are you saying S&W says not to shoot .357 mag in a .357 mag?

What's up with that non-sense?
 
I carried and used (twice) a Colt .357 my first tour in Viet Nam. But that gun, with its 6" barrel is a bit much for concealed carry. When I carry a revolver for self defense, it's usually my Colt Detective Special, a .38 Special.

Of all the snubbies I've shot, the Ruger SP 101 is the only one I'd use .357s in -- the rest are mostly downright painful to shoot much. My feeling is if you practice with them with .357s, you'd develop bad habits. If you are intimidated and don't practice with them, you won't perform well when the chips are down.
Ditto that. I once fired off 5 rounds of .357 mag in a snubbie. It was a Ruger if I remember right.

My hand was sore for 2 days and I had a bruise on the the meat at the base of my thumb. Dang!
 
In my home, in my car, or in my pocket... .38 spl +P.
In my autoloader...9mm +P.
In the woods... .357 in case of bear.
 
Are you saying S&W says not to shoot .357 mag in a .357 mag?

What's up with that non-sense?

It's not a safety issue. It's a durability issue. The K-Frames have issues after a steady diet of .357Mag.

Not a slight against the K-Frame, either. Excellent guns, just not meant for a large volume of .357 shooting.
 
Originally Posted By: Vern Humphrey
Of all the snubbies I've shot, the Ruger SP 101 is the only one I'd use 357’s in - The rest are mostly downright painful to shoot much. My feeling is if you practice with 357’s, you'll develop bad habits. If you are intimidated and don't practice with them, you won't perform well when the chips are down.

Wow, did you get that one right! Could not agree with this opinion, more. What I do whenever I’m training someone with this caliber is that, first, I start them off with anemic, ‘range ammo’ like overpriced Blazers or WWB. As the training session progresses I begin loading hotter and hotter high performance 357 rounds into the gun. The last several cylinders are always, ‘full house’ magnum ammo.

I’ve had very good success using this technique with, even, rank beginners. After an occasional comment on the increased muzzle blast and recoil, they’ll tend to continue hitting the target well. A 357 magnum Ruger SP-101 with a 3” barrel and hammer spur is the only small revolver I recommend for, BOTH, practice and EDC.

You’ve got to remember a snubby (any snubby) is NOT all that easy to hit with and, especially, at 10-12 yards. You have to know how to fire it smoothly in double action, only, and still consistently hit COM. The only complaint I’ve ever heard about this, ‘little tank’ of a revolver is that it’s too heavy; but, so far, nobody has complained about how much straighter he’s able to shoot with it. (Go figure!) :p

Originally Posted By: Steve Pearson
Are you saying S&W says not to shoot .357 mag in a .357 mag? What's up with that non-sense?

No, I’m not saying it. This is what Smith & Wesson told me when they replaced my beautiful old (Behlert customized) Model 19 - with a badly cracked forcing cone - for a brand new Model 686. I didn’t get back the cost of the custom work Austin Behlert had done for me; however, I did get a brand new, ‘L’ frame, 357 revolver entirely at the factory’s expense!
 
I am not sure why people like the .38 special and think a low power cartridge is good.

My first experience with a .38 many years ago was: I was shooting at a Tamarack log
24 inches long and 6 inch diameter that was sitting on a ditch bank about shoulder high.
The .38 hit the log and bounced back landing at my feet. I took a half step and
picked the flattened slug from the dirt. Since then I have had no use for .38s. I do
not want to be killed by my own fire.

By the way, next I fired at it with my .44 magnum and the log was sent flying 8 feet
across the ditch.
 
I am not sure why people like the .38 special and think a low power cartridge is good.

My first experience with a .38 many years ago was: I was shooting at a Tamarack log
24 inches long and 6 inch diameter that was sitting on a ditch bank about shoulder high.
The .38 hit the log and bounced back landing at my feet. I took a half step and
picked the flattened slug from the dirt. Since then I have had no use for .38s. I do
not want to be killed by my own fire.

By the way, next I fired at it with my .44 magnum and the log was sent flying 8 feet
across the ditch.

That is simply the most subjective and unscientific response to OP's question yet... Congratulations!

Let's put on our thinking caps for a second and review some real-world statistics accumulated by the FBI.

The link below shows the numbers of law enforcement officers killed nationwide with firearms between 1995 and 2004. The numbers are "highly" skewed towards the most popular calibers being carried today, and in that regard the results cannot indicate a caliber's true effectiveness compared to another. What one can deduce from these stats, is that the .38 Special (number 2 on the list) is NO SLOUCH... Especially when you consider that these stats were accumulated in the days of bullet resistant vests. Another interesting statistic (Not shown) is that the .38 Special has killed more police offers than any other caliber from 1900 to present day.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2004/table34.htm

I do agree however, that if I am ever attacked by a log, I would much rather have a .44 Magnum in hand.
 
I believe it was Will Rogers who said: " There are lies, damn lies and statistics".
Because more people are killed by .38 does not mean it is the best cartridge,
maybe just the most used.

gglass,
I am sure you realize my log reference was just an example of relative power of the
to guns, but you chose to try to belittle with it.
that speaks for itself.
A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with merely and argument.
 
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