6 rounds of .44 or 7 rounds of .357/38?

Seven .38 or six .44?

  • Seven rounds of .38. Give me the extra round.

    Votes: 106 44.7%
  • Six rounds of .44. Give me the extra power.

    Votes: 131 55.3%

  • Total voters
    237
  • Poll closed .
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I made my choice. I hand load for my 44s, and don't own a 357.

Cost is irrelevant for me. I'll never spend another dime on 44 ammo. With my powder and projectile options I can make the 44 do everything a 357 can, and more.

I've yet to be in a gunfight where the 7th round was a deciding factor.
 
I voted for the 7, something like my wife's gun running the 135g short barrel +P Gold Dots in .38.

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I guess, even after reading the whole thread, that I still don't get it.

Without being an expert, I'd imagine the difference in human reaction between being shot by a .38 and being shot by a .44 is marginal. If your aggressor doesn't stop after you double tap them center of mass with either, caliber is irrelevant for the next target: the skull.
 
Recall that back in the day when the FBI carried revolvers, the agency was completely satisfied with the performance of the .38 Special LSWCHP round. It's interesting to see the agency now toying around with a return to the ballistically similar 9mm while bypassing the heavier caliber 10mm, .40 and 357 SIG options.

Now, if they could just get those 158 grain LSWCHPs to feed in Glocks...
 
.357 beats up on .44 special AND magnum in Marshal/Sanow stats. I'll take the extra power of the .357 magnum and the extra round is a bonus.

Is there any SERIOUS self defense load for the .44 magnum? The special can be loaded hot, but I don't think .44 special is enough even in a hot load to sway me from my .357s. Personal preference I suppose. I've killed hogs with the .357, sure it works as well on humans. It leaves a devastating wound channel in a pig with the right bullet. I mostly hunt with 165 SWCs over 14.5 grains 2400, but I've shot pigs in the trap with a 140 JHP moving over 1300 fps fron a 3" barrel and was duly impressed.

I don't own a .44. See no need for one. If I need anything bigger, I have a .45 Colt Blackhawk not to mention my .30-30 Contender. :D Of course, these are hunting guns. I consider .357 the optimum self defense round, if you're man enough to handle it. :D
 
Recall that back in the day when the FBI carried revolvers, the agency was completely satisfied with the performance of the .38 Special LSWCHP round. It's interesting to see the agency now toying around with a return to the ballistically similar 9mm while bypassing the heavier caliber 10mm, .40 and 357 SIG options.

They dumped the 158 gr. LSWCHP after the Miami debacle in 1986. They also dumped the 9mm the same day.

Then they went to the 10mm. In their testing the 45acp with the STHP did as well as the 10mm but they wanted more rounds in the gun so they went with the 10mm.

Then they dumped that for the 40 S&W. They stayed with that for 20 years or so.

Now it's back to the 9mm.

Now, if they could just get those 158 grain LSWCHPs to feed in Glocks...

Naw they can't. But I can feed them in my Colt 38 Super with 10 rounds on tap and moving faster than they did from the K frame Model 13s the FBI had.

Glock has no interest in building a gun in 38 Super.

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Give me the L frame with 7. Or an N frame with 8. 357 is more than adequate as a personal defense round.

Now if were were talking about bears...
 
Give me the L frame with 7. Or an N frame with 8. 357 is more than adequate as a personal defense round.

You missed it...the choice is 38 Spl. or 44 Spl. No .357 in the house.

But I get it, some feel 44 Spl. is just too much power to handle well. that's likely true for many. In which case 38 Spl. is the better choice.

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Well, I own 3 .38s and .38 special makes a perfectly good self defense round. BUT, if I'm gonna stoke a big 7 shot revolver, I'll do it with .357s. My most carried .38 and the one I usually have handy in the house is a snubby five shooter. Really, I kinda like the idea of a short barreled .38 for home defense, hard to wrestle out of my hands and keeps the muzzle blast down indoors at night.
 
I don't have a problem with either, but given the choice, I'll take the .44 Special over the .38 Special.
 
If you cant stop a threat with a .357....you need a rifle.

for 2 legged predators, and most 4 legged.....a .357 should stop a stop a threat just as well as a .44.......so ide rather go with the 1 extra round, especially with a revolver where you are already running a limited capacity....that 1 extra round is much more important.
 
6 shots of the .44 for people that have substantial experience with traditional 6-shot revolvers. It is ingrained in their memory that they are out of ammo after shooting 6 rounds.
 
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Choose yee: 5 .44 or 7 .38 +P is more the choice in the real world.

Looking at the bases of the speedloaders, it seems the 7 shot .38 is wider than the 5 shot .44. If so, I guess a 6 shot .38 needs to be compared to a 5 shot .44 for concealment purposes.
 
Recall that back in the day when the FBI carried revolvers, the agency was completely satisfied with the performance of the .38 Special LSWCHP round. It's interesting to see the agency now toying around with a return to the ballistically similar 9mm while bypassing the heavier caliber 10mm, .40 and 357 SIG options.
Yes, I realize that with many people come many opinions, but the presumptions made here cannot all be true. My own opinion is that there's no comparison between the man-stopping abilities of the 357 and the 44spc; the 357 is by far the most effective. But as others point out, the 357 has a more violent report. But, granted my view, does this make the 44spc/45acp the next logical "king of the hill"? No, I think one can make an excellent case that the BEST 9mm loads will outperform the BEST 44spc loads, or that even the BEST .38spc loads will at least match the BEST 44spc loads.

That said, I believe the 10mm is the closest thing to the 357mag in an auto. But I also believe the .40 to be a very good round. The 9mm round nose has not been found to have any more or less stopping power than the 45acp military round, but it does have greater penetration, flatter trajectory and can be fitted into hi-cap magazines. And with the enemy wearing thick vests laden with extra ammo and weapons, not many want the 45acp back.

The 44spc can be loaded into heavier loads, but nothing the Charter Arms Bulldog would handle. Others may harbor different views than my own, which is fine, but the annals of military history are filled with spectacular failures of the 45acp. Wound channels, temporary or other, do not a round make, but to say one is of of no import while the other is of sole import, is to miss the outcome entirely. Some writers call the 357mag 125gr jhp to be the "perfect storm" of velocity, bullet weight, expansion and wound channel. Bullets tend to stay in the human body, yet penetration of car bodies, tires...even trucks, are superb. The only downside is the ear-splitting blast and sharp slap of the recoil. Nearly all the destructive energy of the bullet is transferred to the body. The heavier 158gr JHP rounds carry too much penetration and recoil that's more difficult for the shooter to recover from. It's a good load in bear country and for hunting, but is a poor human self defense round. The lighter 110gr JHP, OTOH, has inadequate penetration and can come apart in lighter clothing.

In the end, though, people will get what they want.

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