5-Shot Snub: Enough Gun?

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There are areas of the United States where the likelihood of being struck by a meteor is greater than the likelihood of being attacked by a well-orchestrated team of highly-trained criminal commandos working in concert. Another observation is low-brow opportunistic thugs rarely stick around when gunfire erupts.

Perhaps certain people prefer the lighter platform of a scandium / titanium revolver because they simply do not encounter people…ever. For others perhaps it is a dexterity or strength issue. One never knows, really.

My typical preference is a hammer-fired semi-automatic. It (they) fit well as I actually have a matching pair.
We are RKBA / 2A siblings. If one carries a derringer, revolver, semi-auto, shotgun, or rifle…it's all good.

Others may make their decision by circumstance. I know if my dog asks to go outside at 11:30 pm on a freezing night it means I am unpredictably exiting my home so dropping a J-frame in my pocket works for me. If an orchestrated squad of cartel killers is bizarrely laying in wait, it means my number must have come up!
 
Blue Jays said:
Another observation is low-brow opportunistic thugs rarely stick around when gunfire erupts.
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Do you want to chance that these are the type of low-brow opportunistic thugs that show up at your gunfight?

However, I will freely admit that when I remember to take my garbage and recycling out to the mouth of my driveway on my rural road on Wednesday at 11:30 pm on a freezing night, I may drop the 442 in a pocket if I even take anything... I am guilty of trusting my dogs to let me know if there are bear, coyotes or a random cougar anywhere near the property.
 
Blue Jays said:
Asked and answered! :thumbup:
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Ha! That was actually a rhetorical question for those that want to believe that the average street robber/mugger/carjacker will wet his drawers and run away screaming when Joe Sixpack pulls out his trusty heater... ('Cause while I have seen this happen, I've seen an equal number of instances where the bad guy actually stood his ground -- to some extent -- and shot back.)
 
330+ post later and we still have resolved nothing!
We all can agree on a few simple things.

1- in most cases it is better to have a firearm to protect yourself than not.
2- capacity is a good thing.
3- confidence in your carry firearm is important.

I carry a snubby a most of the time.
Recently I purchased a Micro Compact 9mm, it is similar in size to a j frame, but has more than twice the capacity of a revolver. They are very reliable. Once I get comfortable with it I will carry it most of the time. It doesn't mean I won't carry a revolver on occasion. I'm just going to take advantage of the easy to shoot and higher capacity of the new breed of 9mms.

The most dangerous place I go is Wal-Mart! So my Micro Compact 9mm is my going to Wal-Mart carry!!!!
I have been debating about buying a 10mm. There are lots of big guys at Wal-Mart and I may need the extra knockdown power :eek:
 
Walmart probably is one of the most dangerous places to go. More people per square foot with a gun, and the percentage of those whos skill and training goes beyond just popping a gun in their pockets is low.

But they have a gun! :p

Im all for people carrying a gun, I just wish more took it a bit more seriously than just having a gun. I see fewer and fewer people at the range these days, and even fewer on the handgun ranges, and those I do see, are not awe-inspiring in how they shoot. Yet everyone on the internet who talks about it, seems to have it all figured out.

And personally, I think you should be training to put multiple hits on that meteor as its coming in. But thats just me. :)
 
WisBorn said:
330+ post later and we still have resolved nothing!
We all can agree on a few simple things.

1- in most cases it is better to have a firearm to protect yourself than not.
2- capacity is a good thing.
3- confidence in your carry firearm is important.

I carry a snubby a most of the time.
Recently I purchased a Micro Compact 9mm, it is similar in size to a j frame, but has more than twice the capacity of a revolver. They are very reliable. Once I get comfortable with it I will carry it most of the time. It doesn't mean I won't carry a revolver on occasion. I'm just going to take advantage of the easy to shoot and higher capacity of the new breed of 9mms.

The most dangerous place I go is Wal-Mart! So my Micro Compact 9mm is my going to Wal-Mart carry!!!!
I have been debating about buying a 10mm. There are lots of big guys at Wal-Mart and I may need the extra knockdown power :eek:
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I carry a snubby most of the time as well. Just because I like my 442 it doesn’t mean I have to carry it all the time. I do have other guns to carry. I have recently broken in my Glock 48. It has over 500 trouble free rounds through it. I just need the right holster. Even when I carry that there is a very good chance my 442 will also be carried in an ankle holster.

What really gets me is some people think that if you carry a snub nosed revolver, like them or defend them that somehow you must carry it at all times or must be carrying it at all times in their mind,
I own a Mazda Miata. Fun little car. Gets great gas mileage. I also have a Chevy Suburban and a Kawasaki motorcycle. If I go buy a piece of furniture or a bunch of home improvement supplies in my Miata or on my bike it wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense. I would drive my Suburban. Just as if I am going somewhere local in my very low crime neighborhood I am pretty sure I won’t need my Glock 45 and 2 spare mags. I can carry my 442 (Miata). If I head to Pittsburgh or some unknown location for some reason I take a Glock (Suburban).
 
stonebuster said:
Agreed, but three more pages and we'll beat the record. Mods will put the horse out of it's misery again.
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Well - all you gotta do is throw a little gas on the fire. Like for instance, say that it's nice not to worry about a bad mag that used to be good. Or if a family member can handle the gun if needed.

Doesn't take much for some. They'll keep it going...

Or maybe you could post that in the Semi forum.
But then that might be considered trolling...


Making it a permanent thread to kick around like a hackeysack might be a good idea. I don't think this topic will ever go away. If only for any perceived pot-stirring and popcorn/entertainment value. Sometimes even the occasional good point is (re-)made.
 
trackskippy said:
Walmart probably is one of the most dangerous places to go. More people per square foot with a gun, and the percentage of those whos skill and training goes beyond just popping a gun in their pockets is low.

But they have a gun! :p

Im all for people carrying a gun, I just wish more took it a bit more seriously than just having a gun. I see fewer and fewer people at the range these days, and even fewer on the handgun ranges, and those I do see, are not awe-inspiring in how they shoot. Yet everyone on the internet who talks about it, seems to have it all figured out.
The “awe inspiring” shooter has spoken and he seems to have it “all figured out”!
And personally, I think you should be training to put multiple hits on that meteor as its coming in. But thats just me. :)
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You do realize there are plenty of revolver shooters who would make you look silly on the range right? No, im not claiming to be one of them. Ill let you and the old dog make claims

Old Dog said:
Ha! That was actually a rhetorical question for those that want to believe that the average street robber/mugger/carjacker will wet his drawers and run away screaming when Joe Sixpack pulls out his trusty heater... ('Cause while I have seen this happen, I've seen an equal number of instances where the bad guy actually stood his ground -- to some extent -- and shot back.)
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WOW! You must be incredibly unlucky to have been involved in so many gun fights! Or perhaps you have watched a few training videos and like to talk about it as “experience”?
 
TxUplander said:
You do realize there are plenty of revolver shooters who would make you look silly on the range right? No, im not claiming to be one of them. Ill let you and the old dog make claims


WOW! You must be incredibly unlucky to have been involved in so many gun fights! Or perhaps you have watched a few training videos and like to talk about it as “experience”?
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Prove me wrong in what I said. ;)

I shoot revolvers all the time too, and I shoot them fairly well. I actually shoot them a tad better than my autos when I shoot for groups bullseye style. But thats not the point. The point is, the majority of people carrying a gun, are WOEFULLY lacking in their skills and ability, no matter what the gun is, or what they tell you.

That meteor thing is a perfect example of the mindset of a lot of people, and especially those who insist that a back up gun is fine as a primary gun. They completly miss the point too. The meteor IS the point, not the rest of the empty map. See if you can figure that out. ;)
 
trackskippy said:
Prove me wrong in what I said. ;)

I shoot revolvers all the time too, and I shoot them fairly well. I actually shoot them a tad better than my autos when I shoot for groups bullseye style. But thats not the point. The point is, the majority of people carrying a gun, are WOEFULLY lacking in their skills and ability, no matter what the gun is, or what they tell you.
And compared to plenty, you are WOEFULLY lacking in skill no matter what you tell us. Id rather my wife be armed and lacking skill than not be armed…..but thats just me.
That meteor thing is a perfect example of the mindset of a lot of people, and especially those who insist that a back up gun is fine as a primary gun. They completly miss the point too. The meteor IS the point, not the rest of the empty map. See if you can figure that out. ;)
Talking in riddles doesnt make you seem more intelligent. See if you can figure that out. I just cant fathom why some people like to portray this image that they are ultimately prepared at all times because gun fights are such a common occurrence. How many times have you used your “primary” gun? Your “backup”? Ill go out on a limb and say NEVER. Therefor, your backup has been just as useful as your primary, However you choose to define said “weapons”.
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LOL. No doubt. Trying my best not to bet woefully, but certainly a bit behind of some, but still always willing to learn from that too. There is never an end to that, no matter how good you think you are. :thumbup:

What you said about your wife just makes my point too. With the number of people carrying a gun these days, with little or no real training, I dont know whats scarier or more of a threat. The bad guys, or them. It really is a pretty scary thing.
 
trackskippy said:
LOL. No doubt. Trying my best not to bet woefully, but certainly a bit behind of some, but still always willing to learn from that too. There is never an end to that, no matter how good you think you are. :thumbup:

What you said about your wife just makes my point too. With the number of people carrying a gun these days, with little or no real training, I dont know whats scarier or more of a threat. The bad guys, or them. It really is a pretty scary thing.
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So you would prefer that an elderly relative not be able to protect themselves if they arent able to get training that satisfies YOUR idea of adequate? What is SCARY to me is people like you who thinks someone needs to EARN their right of protection by your standards!
 
A J frame isn't the best gun for an elderly relative anyway. I see plenty of older folks shooting. I have a friend who is a national level revolver shooter. He came in second after Jerry M. quite a few times. His carry gun is a semi for all the reasons that are well known.

Again, this:

1. The Dunning-Kruger set of J frame, LCR shooters.
2. The one opponent, close in always happens.
3. You never miss
4. You never have to practice
5. Your square range practice guarantees success.

If you don't acknowledge the limits of the small guns, then you have a ridiculous position. The correct position is:

1. I carry the small gun for convenience
2. I acknowledge my performance may be limited with that (unless I'm the Dunning-Kruger champion of the square range).
3. If you carry on the belt - the revolver is not optimal as a fighting gun - might be good for COSplay, virtue signaling - not EDC. Yes, applications for hunting are noted.

Let's have 13 more pages of butt hurt on your revolver choice (if you don't acknowledge 1 and 2).
 
So you would prefer that an elderly relative not be able to protect themselves if they arent able to get training that satisfies YOUR idea of adequate?
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I don't think it's that cut and dried. By the time someone has trouble operating a semi-auto, it's not uncommon for them to also be having issues with recoil and DA trigger pulls. While some folks may be forced to make adjustments when they start having issues with operating the slide on an autopistol, I don't see many of those folks automatically turning to a 5 shot snubby as a good alternative given the mentioned issues.

It seems that it's more likely that they will step down in caliber and look at something with a slide that is easier to operate--or perhaps maybe look at full-sized revolvers.
 
GEM said:
A J frame isn't the best gun for an elderly relative anyway. I see plenty of older folks shooting. I have a friend who is a national level revolver shooter. He came in second after Jerry M. quite a few times. His carry gun is a semi for all the reasons that are well known.

Again, this:

1. The Dunning-Kruger set of J frame, LCR shooters.
2. The one opponent, close in always happens.
3. You never miss
4. You never have to practice
5. Your square range practice guarantees success.

If you don't acknowledge the limits of the small guns, then you have a ridiculous position. The correct position is:

1. I carry the small gun for convenience
2. I acknowledge my performance may be limited with that (unless I'm the Dunning-Kruger champion of the square range).
3. If you carry on the belt - the revolver is not optimal as a fighting gun - might be good for COSplay, virtue signaling - not EDC. Yes, applications for hunting are noted.

Let's have 13 more pages of butt hurt on your revolver choice (if you don't acknowledge 1 and 2).
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You boys that have daily gun battles carry on. Ive had all the ridiculousness i can swallow.
 
Kleanbore said:
That is certainly what the facts tell us.
Where did you get that idea?
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If you cant shoot without being shot it matters little what you choose to carry. Im sure you will argue the point now even though its something you brought up in defense of your choices before. It really is a pointless discussion. Everyone has their own opinions and nobody is going to concede to other ideas.
My argument was the fact that a revolver could be deployed without clearing concealment nothing more. Someone was kind enough to provide the video evidence. NUFF SAID.
 
TxUplander said:
I will post the video of my own testing ASAP. Im heading out for a few days in the morning
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Here's a suggestion: before you try shooting from q garment that you are wearing, remove a pocket and shoot from it while it is not on your person and whare you can see it. Observe the effect of the gases from the barrel-cylinder gap without risking bodily harm.
TxUplander said:
i can provide any evidence to either back or break my theory.
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Demonstrating that a firearm can be firred from a pocket has already been done. It will not and cannot test a theory that is would be an effective defensive tactic.
 
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