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Is a 5 Round Snubby Enough?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Fake Name, Apr 19, 2007.

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  1. Fake Name

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    I need some help here.

    I keep going back and forth about what is enough gun/rounds to have. I fully agree that the best gun to have when TSHF is the one you have with you.

    As of late (past 6 months) I have been pocket carrying a S&W 442 and a speedstrip or two instead of belt carrying my g23. It's just easier. It fits into my work and casual attire and I dont have to worry about a cover garment. This is a big plus with summer in the Northeast on our doorstep.

    And if I'm going to go 100% pocket carry, I am considering a S&W 640 in .357.
    So what are your thoughts...Is a 5 round snub enough?
     
  2. coinshooter

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    Well if I had to face 1 person I would be feel ok with a snubby but if it was a Katrina type event I would want more rounds between reloads,
     
  3. Zundfolge

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    In the vast majority of self defensive uses of a handgun, yes your 5 round snubby is plenty.


    Of course if you find you need it you'll wish it was something larger ... like a 12ga :D
     
  4. Just Jim

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    In my opinion if you train hard with your five shooter there shouldn't be a problem. Most people won't spend the time and money to get confident and good both. I carry a five shooter and have for years and years, it's great cause it is light and handy so I don't leave it at home.

    I like HKS speed loaders better than speed strips.

    jj
     
  5. CNYCacher

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    Only you can answer that question. There is a trade-off between convenience and firepower and you have to decide for yourself.

    Consider that something like 95% of gun defenses don't even involve a shooting, but merely presenting the firearm to the threat. Also consider that most of the events where shots are fired are over in 2-3 shots. (Source: a guy on the internet)

    Some people here carry a primary ccw, two spare mags, and a BUG. I am sure some carry 2-shot derringers. Some people don't carry at all, and some people wish they could conceal their AK. All are valid points of view, it just comes down to how much convenience do you need to spend to buy peace of mind.

    Myself, I would be happy with a 6-shot revolver.
     
  6. eric.cartman

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    Me personally?

    I packed P3AT in the pocket.

    Now I pack P3AT in the pocket, and H&K P2000 .40S&W OWB with a longer polo shirts covering it :evil:

    That trend started on Monday the 16th :uhoh:

    EDIT: IN FACT, I'LL SHOW YOU HOW... PICS ATTACHED. This gives me 7x .380 + 13x .40 S&W
     

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  7. Vern Humphrey

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    When I carry a revolver concealed, it's a Colt Detective Special -- 6 shots. but usually I carry an M1911, with an 8-round magazine and one up the Spout, for 9 shots and at least one spare magazine.

    I have had to use a firearm defensively as a civilian 3 times -- and didn't fire a shot. As a soldier, I used a handgun twice (a Colt M357, by the way) and each time fired only one shot.
     
  8. steelhead

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    Short answer: Yes

    Long answer: Too many variables and situations to realistically ever answer your question. Is 10 enough? Is 20? Is even a pistol enough? You can play "what if's" all day long. In fact you could even go so far as to say that not carrying a firearm is "enough" since most never have a need in the first place. However, by carrying, you are allowing yourself a chance to stay in control a litte longer over the situation. I think 5 is plenty for most situations but there will be times where 100+ won't be enough.

    You just can't plan for every situation. All you can do is try to mitigate the risk and strike a balance with practicality. I think you have struck that balance already based on what you have posted about your needs and situation.
     
  9. Pistol Toter

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    99.99% of the time a 5 shot is plenty. The mere sight of a weapon and a defensive posture to a potential assailant often stops any further aggression. Most armed confrontations end with 3 shots fired in less than 5 seconds. Are there exceptions? YES! But the liklyhood that you will ever be required to even present a gun is fairly remote. I have two conceal carry guns. One is Ruger SP101 2 1/4" .357 loaded with Remington Gold Sabre 125 gr. .357's and is carried almost exclusively, the other gun is a GLOCK model 21 .45 acp loaded with 13+1 230 gr Remington Gold Sabre. The GLOCK is only carried if going out late at night or traveling through an area that would not normally be an acceptable route. At least one speedloader or magizine is always carried too. Back to the orginal question; YES a 5 shot is generally enough. It's not the gun, it's not the bullet, however can YOU under pressure deliver and deliver accurately? That you have to answer!
     
  10. Im283

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    You must have been watching the Outdoor Channel last night.

    I am unsure of the shows title but Michael Bain is the host. He had an expert with revolvers on and they reviewed the snubby.

    The expert stated that 5 rounds is enough and most fights are over in a shot or two, or something to that effect.

    I believe 5 rounds is plenty. Of course there are always scenerios where mags and mags (or is it clips) may not be enough.

    I vote for 5 rounds.
     
  11. eric.cartman

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    Like I said, that used to be the case last Sunday:uhoh:

    Look few posts up :evil:
     
  12. ATW525

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    I just picked up a 442 and carry it my pocket in place of a steel framed Taurus 650 that has moved to car gun duty. A five shot .38 caliber snub has resolved many a confrontation favorably. Bernhard Goetz used one to fend off four attackers in the NYC subway and Lance Thomas used one to fend off two armed robbers in his shop during what was the first of four gun battles he would have.

    That being said, a 442 might be in my pocket, but a Glock 19 is on my belt. Don't ever want to be killed for lack of shooting back ;)
     
  13. The Amigo

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    I used 2

    I used to carry a taurus mod 85 and a speed loader and it got old after a while. So I switched to a Kel tec P3at with a +1 round extension and a spare mag making it a 15 round deal in a much lighter and easy to conceal kit. If you do your home work right there's .380 ammo out there in the hot range that will outdo some 38 special loads. Now someone will say well there's +p 38 out there that can perform better. And my answer is yes but can you hit the target with it? most crooks carry high capacity auto loaders nowadays so i like to tip the balance to my side. Hope this helps
     
  14. D-Man

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    I believe the answer is yes, and do own a S&W 642.

    But I do feel that if I happened to be in a much larger incident, I would hate to have to reload it quickly........sure, a speedloader would be quickest, but harder to conceal. A speedstrip could be done, but still not as quick.

    I have been thinking that for me a PM9 might be a better solution, as the standard magazine carries 6 rounds, and the extra 7 rounds. It's much easier to reload a semi-auto than a revolver.
     
  15. RNB65

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    No, not for me. I have a Mod 60 which I carry occasionally in a coat pocket. But I know from plenty of range practice how terrible inaccurate I am with it. Firing DA, I can barely hit a sheet of paper at 7 yards. I'm WAY more accurate with a subcompact semi-auto, plus I get more shots.
     
  16. sansone

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    I like the 5 shot revolvers because they are easy to conceal. 38+357 is good enough for me
     
  17. 19-3Ben

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    I do it every day.

    The way I see it, if 5 rounds of .357 mag out of my SP101 3" aren't enough, I don't need another round. I need to call for close air support.

    edit to add:
    I do carry a speedloader with another 5 rounds though. But realisticaly, I don't think that i would have time to reload it in the vast majority of potential confrontations.
     
  18. Sam Adams

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    The answer is probably yes (there can be NO definitive answer until after an event where you need your weapon). I have a 642, loaded with 5 of the Speer 135 grain .38 +P rounds that is designed to mushroom up at velocities typical of a 2 1/2" barrel. I also have Crimson Trace laser grips. The CTs are there for 2 reasons: First, to make any shots that I need to take more accurate, and second, to let some perp think for a fraction of a second about what that big red dot on his chest means (followed, hopefully, by him wetting his pants and running away).
     
  19. The Lone Haranguer

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    Acceptable, but minimal if it is to be your only armament. For a single attacker, up close, it will do the job, certainly. Just hope there isn't more than one. :eek:

    I'm more comfortable with a full-powered but still pocket-sized autoloader (Kahr PM9, seven shots total), although it is a little harder to draw from a pocket.
     
  20. M2 Carbine

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    Five rounds, in most cases should be enough, IF you can put the five rounds where they need to go.

    Fifteen rounds isn't enough if you are a poor shot.
     
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    Yes. 'Nuff Said?
     
  22. Biker

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    Yup. Mine holds five .45LCs which equals about 15 'nines' by my reckoning.:neener:
    It oughta do.

    Biker:)
     
  23. Browning

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    IMO, yes a 5 shot revolver has enough shots to enable you to fight back in MOST situations and it'll give you a pretty good measure of protection. Will it always be enough for every defensive situation? Probably not. But in most situations where pulling a gun out on somebody is necessary, most criminals usually decide that it isn't worth their trouble to keep bothering you and they usually take off before you have to shoot them. In the vast majority of cases where people use a gun to defend themselves, merely showing it is enough.

    Say that they don't take off though and say that there's three or four criminals attacking you instead of just one. Would five shots be enough then? Maybe or maybe not. Just shooting one or two of them might send the rest into flight and you may not have to shoot the rest of them/shoot at them. Say these three or four guys have guns themselves though, what does that do to your chances?

    If you had a compact semi-auto like a Kahr 9mm or .40 S&W, you'd have basically the same number of shots (actually it's +2 rds for the Kahr, 1 in the mag and 1 in the chamber, but it isn't a big difference), but you'd be able to reload much quicker. I don't think that the semi-auto is any more accurate or shoots any quicker than the revolver does mechanically, but it does have two advantages in actual performance.

    1) It's much quicker to reload and it's definately much quicker and easier to reload under stress. When your adrenalines going, your heart is racing and your hands are shaking, which would you rather do? Try and fit a mag in the butt of a semi-auto pistol and hit the slide stop? Or try and fit five different bullets into five different chambers at the same time, twist the speedloader, tilt the revolver forward and then snap the cylinder closed?

    Your fine motor skills degrade under stress, so something you do twenty times every shooting trip may not be as easy if your getting shot at or if you just shot somebody and you have to reload immediately.

    2) A semi-auto pistol usually also holds at least a couple more rounds in the mag when fully loaded, even the compact models usually hold more than the revolver does. This gives you an advantage, especially when you're facing multiple opponents. It allows you to stay in the fight longer before reloading.

    Most of the time though, you're not going to be getting attacked by one guy, much less by three or four. If you do have any problems at all, it's likely to just be one guy by himself. For situations like this, the revolver is perfect. Even in the situations where you're facing multiple opponents, it still might be enough if you shoot the armed opponents that represent the biggest threat and then you could retreat in a big hurry (which is what you should be doing anyway).

    If I was going to carry a revolver as my regular carry gun, I might think about also buying a small .32 ACP or .380 ACP pistol as backup, just so if it was really needed then I could put out more rounds than what was in my revolver. Plus you may need a back up pistol, for whatever reason you may not be able to use your revolver (maybe your right hand is wounded and you can't get it out of your right pants pocket, or maybe you got blindsided earlier and they took it out of your hand).

    However, if I was going to just carry a revolver all by itself, I'd pratice reloading ALOT with speedloaders. Two hand reloads, one handed reloads, weak handed draws, reloading weak handed with single rounds and with speed loaders etc. Because you may really need that skill one day.

    Know in advance that you probably won't need it as far as the statistics go, you're more likely to get into a automobile accident than you are to get into a shootout with multiple assailants. But I'd rather have the skill to reload and draw the revolver weak handed and maybe have the smaller extra pistol as back up than need them both and not have either.

    That's just my two cents though. In most scenarios the revolver by itself does fine.
     
  24. Sistema1927

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    Come to think of it, one or two Virginia Tech students or faculty members carrying a S&W 642, and proficient in its use, could have changed the odds considerably the other day.
     
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    642 for me is sufficient.
     
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