9mm deer load

[n2omike]

A Thompson or M3 clone would be fun too, and probably a better choice simply due to bore diameter and bullet mass.

Yea, a 9mm might expand if driven fast enough... but a 45 ain't gonna shrink! Lol

And, no... I wouldn't use either on a deer if I didn't have to.

When it comes to low power, precision is everything... and a Sten ain't the tool for the job. This comes from my air rifle experience.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Yea, a 9mm might expand if driven fast enough... but a 45 ain't gonna shrink! Lol

And, no... I wouldn't use either on a deer if I didn't have to.

When it comes to low power, precision is everything... and a Sten ain't the tool for the job. This comes from my air rifle experience.

what????? A Sten can take down a deer in 1 second.... might cost $50 in ammo, but it’s going down

 

[milsurpguy]

I’m unaware of any state where it’s legal to hunt deer with a rimfire. At least in the 5 I hunted them in it wasn’t legal.

Maine.

 

[milsurpguy]

Yea, a 9mm might expand if driven fast enough... but a 45 ain't gonna shrink! Lol

And, no... I wouldn't use either on a deer if I didn't have to.

When it comes to low power, precision is everything... and a Sten ain't the tool for the job. This comes from my air rifle experience.

Normally I would agree. The bench mark for the original sten was to hit a man size target, anywhere, at 100 yards with most of the bullets. That's an open bolt, really short sight radius, ect.
Mine is closed bolt, has a new modern 9.5 inch barrel, sig red dot sight. It's actually shooting well under 2 inches at 50 yards, which I did not expect at all.
Need to take it to the indoor 25 yard range where there's actually controlled conditions and print some targets. I'm expecting 10 shot groups to make less than 1 inch hole.

 

[NMexJim]

Shoot, I shake greater than 1”!

 

[9x56MS]

I had a deer hit by a car in my yard called Sheriff's office and it took the deputy 3 rounds of 9mm to put that poor deer out of its misery and that was at 10 feet. If you have ever seen a wound caused by a bullet blowing up on a deer it is a pitiful sight and a terrible injustice to the poor animal suffering it. Use the right firearm and right bullet for big game. Heavy for caliber is always better on big game. Can it kill a deer, possibly. Is it a good choice most definitely not.

 

[Mark_Mark]

I had a deer hit by a car in my yard called Sheriff's office and it took the deputy 3 rounds of 9mm to put that poor deer out of its misery and that was at 10 feet. If you have ever seen a wound caused by a bullet blowing up on a deer it is a pitiful sight and a terrible injustice to the poor animal suffering it. Use the right firearm and right bullet for big game. Heavy for caliber is always better on big game. Can it kill a deer, possibly. Is it a good choice most definitely not.

agree! unless you’re in a life death situation. use the right tool for the job. Savage makes “deer in a box” rifle setup for very cheap

 

[jmorris]

I have little doubt that one of my major 9 loads could efficiently have killed this deer. That said, I still wouldn’t.

 

[buck460XVR]

I'm not trying to make a ridiculous high pressure loads.

The 9mm hate on this forum is strong.

I don't think the hate for 9mm on this site is as strong as the respect for deer and the desire to hunt humanely.

11gr of AA9 compressed, with a small rifle primer for 124gr. It's a half grain over the max, uses small rifle primers.

10.5 is already compressed, seems 11 is getting into the ridiculous category, at least IMHO. Western, distributor of AA#9 does not even list it in their load data, for regular or +p 9mm Luger loadings with a 124 gr bullet. One of those things that make one go hmmmmm.

As noted, deer can be killed with a .22 rimfire. Doesn't make it a legitimate deer caliber. My question is why the desire to use a 9mm out of a sub-carbine length barrel? Certainly isn't out of concern for the deer. Certainly isn't because you can't afford a legitimate deer caliber. My guess would be that it's all about the "tacticool" factor. I hunt deer with handguns for the challenge. I have taken several with .357s and a 6" revolver. Shots were held to under 35 yards and high percentage shots, using bullets designed and appropriate for deer size game. Ain't a lot of those available in 124 gr 9mm.

With 100 yards being the max practical limit for deer hunting.
The load was developed to mow down packs of coyotes out to 200yd.

I get around 1750FPS from my .357 carbine, with a good 158 gr hunting type bullet, still would not shoot at a deer past 80 yards with it. The idea I could "mow" down "packs" of 'yotes with it at 200 yards is comical. Ain't trying to be a jerk, just being realistic.

 

[brewer12345]

Normally I would agree. The bench mark for the original sten was to hit a man size target, anywhere, at 100 yards with most of the bullets. That's an open bolt, really short sight radius, ect.
Mine is closed bolt, has a new modern 9.5 inch barrel, sig red dot sight. It's actually shooting well under 2 inches at 50 yards, which I did not expect at all.
Need to take it to the indoor 25 yard range where there's actually controlled conditions and print some targets. I'm expecting 10 shot groups to make less than 1 inch hole.

Because every deer hunt offers controlled conditions when you take the shot. Hmmm...

 

[Swampman]

...The 9mm hate on this forum is strong...

Yep! People hate on 9mm. don’t know why

It's not "hating" when people disagree with a particularly unsuitable use for a chambering/weapon combination.

If someone started a thread about using their 30-06 Encore single shot pistol for concealed carry, most replies would be extremely negative.

The negative responses wouldn't be because people hate the 30-06, they'd be because the round and weapon are a ridiculous and unintelligent solution to the task at hand.

 

[Nature Boy]

I'll be willing to bet that in the history of cartridges used to kill deer, a .22lr and a spot light ranks in the top 5

 

[Mark_Mark]

It's not "hating" when people disagree with a particularly unsuitable use for a chambering/weapon combination.

If someone started a thread about using their 30-06 Encore single shot pistol for concealed carry, most replies would be extremely negative.

The negative responses wouldn't be because people hate the 30-06, they'd be because the round and weapon are a ridiculous and unintelligent solution to the task at hand.

“hating” is a mild and general term.

^^^ I was picking weed off my pawn until I discovered pesticide

 

[Antihero]

I had a deer hit by a car in my yard called Sheriff's office and it took the deputy 3 rounds of 9mm to put that poor deer out of its misery and that was at 10 feet. If you have ever seen a wound caused by a bullet blowing up on a deer it is a pitiful sight and a terrible injustice to the poor animal suffering it. Use the right firearm and right bullet for big game. Heavy for caliber is always better on big game. Can it kill a deer, possibly. Is it a good choice most definitely not.

This is all good points.

You are already taking the animals life, at least don't make it worse than you have to.

 

[Mark_Mark]

This is all good points.

You are already taking the animals life, at least don't make it worse than you have to.

i was taught early, if you kill it, you are eating it. Yep, that’s why I don’t hunt.... I respect hunters, they are the most conservation groups on the planet

 

[GooseGestapo]

I'll be willing to bet that in the history of cartridges used to kill deer, a .22lr and a spot light ranks in the top 5

As a 25yr veteran game warden, I can affirm this estimate. Largest deer (and rack) I ever confiscated was a 245lb 13pt buck shot at 90yds with a Ruger 10/22 firing Winchester 37gr bulk pack hp’s.
The bullet lacerated the left renal artery and adjacent dorsal aorta. Deer ran approximately 100yds and dropped in the middle of a 30ac cutover. Deer was shot in headlights at 4:47am . A sheriff’s deputy was on his front porch smoking a cigarette, letting his patrol car warm up. He heard the shots; 10 were fired.
The perps laid rubber leaving the scene, and drove past the deputy. He stopped them and detained them till I could arrive.
I had to use a come-along to get the deer into my truck. The veterinarian that x-rayed the deer for me and testified at the trial as state’s witness, was awarded the deer antlers. He has them mounted over his fireplace...
They weren’t the first, or last poachers I caught using a .22lr; along with the .22mag, .223, and .243 probably accounted for 80% or more.
And yes, I got one using a 9mm, and even a Browning BDA in .380!

 

[milsurpguy]

Loading as much AA9 as will fit in a 9x19 under 124 or 125gr plated bullet is an old speer load.
The old speer manual shows 9.5gr as the start load, 10.5 as the max in a speer case. In a federal case with 11gr of AA9 under a 124gr in the sten shows less pressure signs than some factory ammo.
But you need at least a 6 inch barrel to take advantage of the slower powder.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Loading as much AA9 as will fit in a 9x19 under 124 or 125gr plated bullet is an old speer load.
The old speer manual shows 9.5gr as the start load, 10.5 as the max in a speer case. In a federal case with 11gr of AA9 under a 124gr in the sten shows less pressure signs than some factory ammo.
But you need at least a 6 inch barrel to take advantage of the slower powder.

that sounds Cool! I have a Glock 17L
with a Comp, that could take advantage of that federal case 11gr of AA9

 

[AK Hunter]

I shoot deer with a 9mm 147gr HP bullet but it's not out of a 9mm rifle or case.
I shoot the 9mm out of a 350 Legend case it travels much faster & hits a lot harder, maybe a full 1K feet per sec faster or more.
It is a very cheap effective deer killer.

 

[brewer12345]

I shoot deer with a 9mm 147gr HP bullet but it's not out of a 9mm rifle or case.
I shoot the 9mm out of a 350 Legend case it travels much faster & hits a lot harder, maybe a full 1K feet per sec faster or more.
It is a very cheap effective deer killer.

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Tell me more, bwana. I always figured those bullets would grenade on impact at legend speeds. Do they hold together?

 

[jmorris]

You don’t need laser beams or exploding bullets to kill things.

147 grain RN ‘minor” loads work.





There are many, many better choices I pick for game animals though.

 

[tallpaul]

So what I'm hearing is all the people who shot deer with a 357mag revolver loaded with 125gr bullets were subjecting the deer to a slow painful death?
As most of the top loads in my hornady manual put a 125gr bullet out of typical 6 to 8 inch revolver at between 1300 to 1500fps.
So which is it?

I'm not trying to make a ridiculous high pressure loads.

The 9mm hate on this forum is strong. That's a good sign this place isn't ran by 9mm fan boys.

I have never seen 125 grain loads recommended for deer in .357 mag by anyone... usually 158 to 200 grain bullets of proper construction even then... don't twist the rejection of your thought as hate for the 9mm

 

[Mark_Mark]

You don’t need laser beams or exploding bullets to kill things.

147 grain RN ‘minor” loads work.

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There are many, many better choices I pick for game animals though.

BRO... that’s gross

 

[jmorris]

Tasted just fine Well, I’ll admit I didn’t try the coyote.

If you are talking about the backstrapped pigs, the only people that think that’s gross are the ones that love hotdogs just because they don’t know what’s in them, I promise you, it’s not that part.

Certainly better than field dressing them, as far as mess and smell goes.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Tasted just fine Well, I’ll admit I didn’t try the coyote.

If you are talking about the backstrapped pigs, the only people that think that’s gross are the ones that love hotdogs just because they don’t know what’s in them, I promise you, it’s not that part.

Certainly better than field dressing them, as far as mess and smell goes.

I would have eaten every bit of that hogs, froze the bones for soup. Or grind everything up and turn it into fish food! Not big on wasting.

now the cyoto... I would try it once