ChCx2744
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A thread posted by member S&W 910 a long time ago caught my attention yesterday. Adhering to the forum's rules, I have decided to revive it in a new thread. Here is the link to the old thread for reference: http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=160646
Sorry for reviving a 5 year old thread, but I think this is a serious scenario many must consider, especially if you have a gun for protection in your home. Now I don't completely agree with what the OP did in his original thread, but much time has passed since then, and I do not know what kind of knowledge/training/experience the OP has learned or received between then and now. In response to his question, my choices would be as followed:
-You hear loud banging and pretty much are sure that someone is attempting to kick in/kicking in your door.
-Get to a safe location, at least concealment from the door. The nearest room or behind the nearest object to your phone that conceals would be best. Know and study these places beforehand on your own time, MANY TIMES.
-Draw your weapon as fast as you can, but if it is already drawn at this point, GOOD! It is good to have drawn your weapon while doing the previous step, but sometimes getting to a safe spot is more important than trying to draw.
*This is a very crucial moment. At this point, you are at least concealed and at low ready/on bead. Usually, by this time (if not sooner) the BG has already made entry and you must make a decision fast; skip ahead after this part for that.
-However, if BG has NOT entered yet and you are concealed and at ready with your gun, dial 911/try to get to a phone to dial 911 IF TIME/SITUATION PERMITS. IF you are able to do so, keep the phone to your ear, speaker, whatever, just have your gun still at ready and proceed to swiftly, but clearly explain to the operator "Please send help someone is breaking in at blah blah blah and my name is blah blah blah."
-Lets say that you are concealed and at ready with your gun but your phone is in another room and the BG(S) come in. Seconds are very crucial at this point and you must focus on the situation at hand, instead of trying to get to a phone.
-Scream "STOP!" once (Remember, time, even in seconds, is very crucial here. Don't waste your time jaw jacking to the fool.) very loudly, but clearly, having BG's COM in your sights. The more louder and angry you sound, the better the BG will hear you and know someone is clearly home.
-Like another member said above:
*If they stop, GOOD, now in that same thunderous voice, tell them to kiss the carpet, hands out, palms up, ankles crossed, look away from me.
*If they turn around and run, GOOD LET THEM.
*If they continue entering further into your home/towards you then...Well...TAP TAP SPLAT
Hopefully that stops the immediate threat of great bodily harm or death. Hopefully you are already prepared by this time both mentally and legally to deal with the consequence(s) of your decision(s) that have just been described. Hey, at least you are alive. These are just the things that I like to at least go over every time I walk out or into my door. Whenever I'm sitting around, I sometimes catch myself looking at the door, going through these steps. Hey they may not be as perfect as the most textbook training class, but it helps to run these through your mind, at least I think so. If you disagree with my tactics just because they contradict your own, I don't care. I want people to be safe and ready if faced with a situation like this. Take it for what you will.
If the police have the wrong house...Well...There have been instances in where police have been found guilty for wrongfully shooting and killing people (This happened in Atlanta, GA with the Atlanta Police Department, where they shot and killed an elderly woman and the dept ended up facing much time of legal turmoil). If it is the police, they are required to announce themselves if making forced entry, whether lawfully entering or not. People have been fooled by the BG yelling "POLICE!", fake badges, fake uniforms, etc...I believe that as long as you are positive you have no outstanding legal trouble and are completely clean/innocent, the party on the outside kicking in my door better be able to accept full responsibility for what will happen when they get in. If you are justified, have some sort of legal representation/counsel and listen to their advice...Just stick to your bearings and pull through the right way.
Now I understand that this isn't always how a HD or personal defense situation is going to go. Sometimes, things in this world just have a habit of happening at the worst possible times, which we often refer to as SHTF scenarios. Even so, being physically, mentally and legally prepared (To the most of your abilities) is only going to be achieved through education, practice and dedication. You must first train your primary weapon, which is the one between your ears. Be safe, aim small, miss small.
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It seems that some believe that yelling something to alert the BG of your position/presence is not tactically advantageous. Some like to rack the slide of a shotgun, yell and some just like to go into ninja mode. My preference is to yell, because I clearly notify the BG that they are not welcome and to STOP, not CONTINUE.
Put yourself into a similar situation. Let's say you live alone and are coming home from work/school. You unlock your door and begin stepping inside (knowing you locked it before you left and there is absolutely no legal justification for it to be unlocked and the home occupied.) Lets say that it's pitch black and you are feeling around for the switch. As you are feeling around, someone turns a flashlight on and points it into your face and yells VERY LOUDLY "STOP!" In this situation, 9 times out of 10 a majority of all people (Even BG's hopped up on the most hardcore of drugs) are going to at least realize something just happened and are reflexively going to pause for a moment...Deer in headlights effect. That reflex can be anywhere from milliseconds to 30 seconds. Either way, milliseconds in that situation could mean life or death, and the more I have, the better my chances. THAT is my rationale. Another reason I like the flash light in the face is because another natural human reflex is to bring your hands in front of your face to shield the light. In doing so, the BG is putting his hands directly into the light and showing me his hands and what may possibly be in them. This is even better, because once the bugger lifts his hands and I see a gun or knife...Well...Let's just say that Mr. BG will be taking a very long nap.
Sorry for reviving a 5 year old thread, but I think this is a serious scenario many must consider, especially if you have a gun for protection in your home. Now I don't completely agree with what the OP did in his original thread, but much time has passed since then, and I do not know what kind of knowledge/training/experience the OP has learned or received between then and now. In response to his question, my choices would be as followed:
-You hear loud banging and pretty much are sure that someone is attempting to kick in/kicking in your door.
-Get to a safe location, at least concealment from the door. The nearest room or behind the nearest object to your phone that conceals would be best. Know and study these places beforehand on your own time, MANY TIMES.
-Draw your weapon as fast as you can, but if it is already drawn at this point, GOOD! It is good to have drawn your weapon while doing the previous step, but sometimes getting to a safe spot is more important than trying to draw.
*This is a very crucial moment. At this point, you are at least concealed and at low ready/on bead. Usually, by this time (if not sooner) the BG has already made entry and you must make a decision fast; skip ahead after this part for that.
-However, if BG has NOT entered yet and you are concealed and at ready with your gun, dial 911/try to get to a phone to dial 911 IF TIME/SITUATION PERMITS. IF you are able to do so, keep the phone to your ear, speaker, whatever, just have your gun still at ready and proceed to swiftly, but clearly explain to the operator "Please send help someone is breaking in at blah blah blah and my name is blah blah blah."
-Lets say that you are concealed and at ready with your gun but your phone is in another room and the BG(S) come in. Seconds are very crucial at this point and you must focus on the situation at hand, instead of trying to get to a phone.
-Scream "STOP!" once (Remember, time, even in seconds, is very crucial here. Don't waste your time jaw jacking to the fool.) very loudly, but clearly, having BG's COM in your sights. The more louder and angry you sound, the better the BG will hear you and know someone is clearly home.
-Like another member said above:
*If they stop, GOOD, now in that same thunderous voice, tell them to kiss the carpet, hands out, palms up, ankles crossed, look away from me.
*If they turn around and run, GOOD LET THEM.
*If they continue entering further into your home/towards you then...Well...TAP TAP SPLAT
Hopefully that stops the immediate threat of great bodily harm or death. Hopefully you are already prepared by this time both mentally and legally to deal with the consequence(s) of your decision(s) that have just been described. Hey, at least you are alive. These are just the things that I like to at least go over every time I walk out or into my door. Whenever I'm sitting around, I sometimes catch myself looking at the door, going through these steps. Hey they may not be as perfect as the most textbook training class, but it helps to run these through your mind, at least I think so. If you disagree with my tactics just because they contradict your own, I don't care. I want people to be safe and ready if faced with a situation like this. Take it for what you will.
If the police have the wrong house...Well...There have been instances in where police have been found guilty for wrongfully shooting and killing people (This happened in Atlanta, GA with the Atlanta Police Department, where they shot and killed an elderly woman and the dept ended up facing much time of legal turmoil). If it is the police, they are required to announce themselves if making forced entry, whether lawfully entering or not. People have been fooled by the BG yelling "POLICE!", fake badges, fake uniforms, etc...I believe that as long as you are positive you have no outstanding legal trouble and are completely clean/innocent, the party on the outside kicking in my door better be able to accept full responsibility for what will happen when they get in. If you are justified, have some sort of legal representation/counsel and listen to their advice...Just stick to your bearings and pull through the right way.
Now I understand that this isn't always how a HD or personal defense situation is going to go. Sometimes, things in this world just have a habit of happening at the worst possible times, which we often refer to as SHTF scenarios. Even so, being physically, mentally and legally prepared (To the most of your abilities) is only going to be achieved through education, practice and dedication. You must first train your primary weapon, which is the one between your ears. Be safe, aim small, miss small.
-edit-
It seems that some believe that yelling something to alert the BG of your position/presence is not tactically advantageous. Some like to rack the slide of a shotgun, yell and some just like to go into ninja mode. My preference is to yell, because I clearly notify the BG that they are not welcome and to STOP, not CONTINUE.
Put yourself into a similar situation. Let's say you live alone and are coming home from work/school. You unlock your door and begin stepping inside (knowing you locked it before you left and there is absolutely no legal justification for it to be unlocked and the home occupied.) Lets say that it's pitch black and you are feeling around for the switch. As you are feeling around, someone turns a flashlight on and points it into your face and yells VERY LOUDLY "STOP!" In this situation, 9 times out of 10 a majority of all people (Even BG's hopped up on the most hardcore of drugs) are going to at least realize something just happened and are reflexively going to pause for a moment...Deer in headlights effect. That reflex can be anywhere from milliseconds to 30 seconds. Either way, milliseconds in that situation could mean life or death, and the more I have, the better my chances. THAT is my rationale. Another reason I like the flash light in the face is because another natural human reflex is to bring your hands in front of your face to shield the light. In doing so, the BG is putting his hands directly into the light and showing me his hands and what may possibly be in them. This is even better, because once the bugger lifts his hands and I see a gun or knife...Well...Let's just say that Mr. BG will be taking a very long nap.
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