Accidental Discharge -1911

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like the Glock with the safety trigger keeps the gun from shooting ulness you pull the trigger
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I know it is a legitimate safety feature used by many manufacturers, but I can't help but chuckle when I read that.

As mentioned above, besides the thumb safety, the 1911 has the grip safety.

You could make a case that the Glock is better than the 1911 in several ways, but I don't think safety is one of them.
 
Most mechanical failures are caused by poor maintenance/gunsmithing. We're back to ND.
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That would not be the case with Rem 700s. It isn't an issue of what happens most or least, but of what actually happens.

like the Glock with the safety trigger keeps the gun from shooting ulness you pull the trigger
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There have been quite a few Glock NDs where the trigger was not "pulled." It gets depressed because the shooter still has a finger on the trigger and attempts to reholster, the downward force on the gun trapping the trigger finger at the mouth of the holster and causing the trigger to be depressed without actually being pulled.
 
Not sure why M700s are exempt from poor maintenance/gunsmithing, but most unintentional discharges are human induced.
 
Here's my concern with 1911 SA "cocked and locked"... the hammer is held "in tension". Should there be a mechanical failure, albeit rare, it is theoretically possible that if ALL the safety mechanisms fail (at the same time) , the hammer will slam down and cause the gun to fire.
This would not happen on a revolver...since the hammer is "at rest".

Am I correct on this? I would appreciate all constructive and educational input..
 
Let's get one thing straight with Glock AD's. About 99% of them involve the user having his finger on the trigger, not guns going off when dropped. Glocks get a bad rap, but it is USER ERROR that causes the Glock to go bang. Finger off trigger until INTENDING to fire, please. As far as the question goes, the 1911 is no more prone to AD's when dropped than any other gun that is cocked and locked, or cocked and unlocked.
 
I have carried both a full sized 1911 (with a rail no less) and a subcompact XD. With that said, here is my $0.02 on accuracy. As long as I can put two shot in an area the size of a mans chest, that's all the accuracy I need. If you do have to present your weapon, your adrenaline is going to so high that putting two shots through the same hole accuracy will be the last of your worries.
 
it is theoretically possible that if ALL the safety mechanisms fail (at the same time) , the hammer will slam down and cause the gun to fire.
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Well, on any 1911 with a firing pin block mechanism (i.e. Series 80 Colt) the hammer can fall all day long, but if you don't pull the trigger, the firing pin isn't going anywhere.
 
I was not referring to AD or a gun being dropped. The scenario I had in mind is a gun that is sitting on top of a table....untouched. Should all the safety mechanisms fail at that moment...(for unknown reasons...let's say eventual wear and tear) ....wouldn't you agree that a "cocked and locked" 1911 (since the hammer is held in tension) will fire as opposed to a revolver whose hammer is "at rest"?

Please someone correct me if I am wrong... I would really like to carry a 1911.
 
Your theory is correct. The odds are probably greater than winning the lottery, begin struck by lightning and learning Latin all on the same day.
 
This is wrong on many levels.

Guns do have acciddental discharges. When a gun fires due to a mechanical malfunction of some sort, it is an accidental discharge. When a gun is fired unintentionally by a person, it is a negligent discharge.

Gun makes can matter, especially in regard to some poorly made guns.
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Thanks for overanylyzing a post. The OP used the term accidental, so I followed his lead, some people call it one way or the other. The "Negligent Discharge" is what was being described and implied. Thank you for derailing the thread and making me post to point that out.
 
Eddie said it well.

I think the statistics show that mistakes happen more often with Glocks than with 1911's. A shirt tail caught while reholstering can pull the trigger on a Glock. While a shirt tail could also pull the trigger on a revolver, but revolvers (and Sigs and CZs, etc.) have longer, stiffer DA triggers than Glocks.

The chance of an AD while reholstering a cocked and locked 1911 is very close to zero. I know I am not comfortable with a Glock, but I'm very comfortable with a 1911.

As has been mentioned, more likely is a finger on the trigger of a Glock while reholstering. The 1911 is safer since the safety will very likely be engaged at that point.

A 1911 requires ALL to be present before it will fire: cocked, safety off, hand on the grip, AND the trigger to be pulled. All the Glock requires is for the trigger to be pulled.

Chances for a 1911 to spontenously fire on it's own sitting on the kitchen table? Infinitesimal unless it is hit by a meteor coming through the ceiling, and then still pretty low!

Of course, if you want, we can point you to a youtube video that shows "only a professional like me can safely handle a Glock 40"....followed by a loud boom in a classroom of children! :(
 
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1911's are safer than glocks imo. you have three safeties at once = the thumb safety, the grip safety, and a firing pin block.

to get a 1911 to ad, you'd have to disengage the thumb safety, engage the grip safety, and pull the trigger. to get a glock to ad, you just have to pull the trigger.
 
1911's are safer than glocks imo. you have three safeties at once = the thumb safety, the grip safety, and a firing pin block.
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I agree with you, but I disagree.

The 1911 definitely has more safety features than a Glock, or any other make that immediately comes to mind. However, any firearm is only as safe as the jerk behind the trigger.
 
Hey Prof: Lots of guys carry condition one M1911s and lots of guys carry in-the-spout Glocks. The VAST MAJORITY of BOTH groups have neither ADs nor NDs. If you want to carry a 1911, and carry it condition one, then carry it that way. Just make sure you properly maintain the piece and practice, practice, practice your "presentation." That, and keep your wits about you when un-holstering, placing it in the house, if there are any youngsters around, you know, things like that. Properly re-inforced muscle memory will stand you very well when you are tired.

My two cents..........
 
Every time these discussions get lit off...sooner or later somebody tosses in the "What it ya drop it" thing. Must be a lotta butterfingered shooters is all I can say.

In what is now crowdin' 50 years of gunnin' and smiffin'...I've dropped two guns, neither of which went bang. I haven't seen more than a half-dozen guns dropped. None of those fired either.

Yet, the drop card is always played.

Do ya'll drop guns a lot?
 
I am of the opinion that any gun with a properly functioning manual safety is safer than any gun without one.

As for dropping them, I dropped my J frame on a carpeted floor once while it was still in its holster. No bang. Just dont try to grab for the gun as its falling.
 
"Just don't try to grab for it while it's falling"

lol I can imagine slow-mo, wide-eyed, fingers in ears, and duck and cover...
 
OK, gentlemen, I now understand it completely.:rolleyes: The 1911 is a safe gun to carry in condition 1. Yes, it looks scary at first seeing a hammer pulled back ready to strike. I know it also takes alot of purposeful movements to keep it safe. Yes, a good holster is what it needs. Thanks for all your inputs. Now all I need to do is to trade in some of my guns for a 1911. :)
 
And gets lots of practice....especially dry fire (unloaded) both presenting the pistol (drawing) and pulling the trigger. No finger on the trigger until the pistol is pointed down "range".

With the hammer cocked (again, gun dry) work taking the safety off when presenting the pistol and putting it back on when lowering the pistol. You can't pull the trigger to put the safety on so you can do draw/presentations and lowering/reholstering practice that way to get completely familiar with the pistol.

I do this regularly and it is time well spent.
 
Not sure why M700s are exempt from poor maintenance/gunsmithing, but most unintentional discharges are human induced.
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Design flaw - followed by lawsuits. So when the rifles discharged, it was not a ND on behalf of the shooter. It was an AD.
 
ND on behalf of Remington. You could add the owner if he was aware of the situation.

Rarely can an unintentional discharge be blamed solely on the gun. Excepting acts of God, I'm hard pressed to come up with a scenario.
 
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