Accidental discharge!

[Stevie-Ray]

With all due respect, I totally disagree. First of all, there is no such thing as an AD.

That's inaccurate. If your gun decides to malfunction during a range session and fires twice, or goes on full auto for that matter, you immediately unload if there's anything left, and take it to a qualified gunsmith ASAP. But that would be an accidental discharge.

 

[1BLINDREF]

I've never had an ND/AD. I know I'm not perfect so I always check 2 times before doing any dry firing or handing over a gun to someone to look at. IMO you can't be too safe - don't want to give the antis any more fuel

 

[universal]

That's inaccurate. If your gun decides to malfunction during a range session and fires twice, or goes on full auto for that matter, you immediately unload if there's anything left, and take it to a qualified gunsmith ASAP. But that would be an accidental discharge.

I believe that would be called a weapon malfunction.

 

[Mainsail]

There are some paradigms here that I do not agree with. Someone said, “They’re always loaded.” That is completely untrue. After I clear my weapon, it’s unloaded. I can dry fire it all I want, including at the TV if I desire, and it will never discharge. If I scratch my head with a sawzall while my finger is on the trigger, I stand a good chance of sawing a hole in my head. They’re tools, use them with the requisite respect and there won’t be a problem, treat them carelessly and somebody is gonna get hurt.

I went to the gun store with my GF and every time the clerk handed me a pistol or revolver, he opened it and checked it. Then when I took it from him, I opened it and checked it for myself. Proper discipline isn’t a difficult concept, less so with something that can kill someone.

 

[Stevie-Ray]

I believe that would be called a weapon malfunction

Also inaccurate. The weapon malfunction would cause the accidental discharge.

 

[XD Fan]

I tend to think that a TV is the perfect back stop when dry firing. That way if you do have an ND, you won't destroy anything of value. Oh, there, I've done it again and belittled the boob tube.

Seriously, what do you guys use as back stop for dry firing. I have seen a stump and ballistic fiber listed. What else do you all use. I generally just point toward soft dirt.

 

[MrPeter]

Is it just me, or have I read this thread months ago? Deja vu, or did someone repost it, word for word...?

Time to hit up the search..

 

[universal]

Stevie-Ray,

Let's just agree to disagree. It is just a matter of semantics anyway.

 

[.cheese.]

There are two types of shooters.

Those who have had an ND.

and

Those who will have an ND.

it will happen eventually. The best you can do is try your best every day to make sure that today isn't the day it happens, and be extra careful so that the one time it happens, nobody gets hurt.

 

[torpid]

There are two types of shooters.

Those who have had an ND.

and

Those who will have an ND.

it will happen eventually.

I strongly disagree.
This in an "anti" argument.
"Guns are too dangerous for civilian ownership. If you have a gun, it's gonna go off someday unexpectedly- 100% guaranteed."

You are not predestined to burn down your house when using fire, or fall asleep at the wheel of a car into incoming traffic, or choke to death on a piece of steak just because you chose to undertake those actions.

Are they possibilities? Of course.

Are they more likely to occur if one is cavalier, reckless and negligent in their actions? Yes.

Are they inevitable? No.

You can (and should) be wary and cautious about NDs without spreading the propaganda that every single gun owner will inevitably have them.

I applaud the sentiment, but not the execution.

 

[universal]

There are two types of shooters.

Those who have had an ND.

and

Those who will have an ND.

it will happen eventually. The best you can do is try your best every day to make sure that today isn't the day it happens, and be extra careful so that the one time it happens, nobody gets hurt.

I totally disagree and this is a very dangerous attitude to have. If you have convinced yourself that you will have a ND, then you probably will. If you decide that you will never have one, then you will not.

 

[Mainsail]

There are two types of shooters.

Those who have had an ND.

and

Those who will have an ND.

it will happen eventually. The best you can do is try your best every day to make sure that today isn't the day it happens, and be extra careful so that the one time it happens, nobody gets hurt.

If I believed that for one second I would throw all my guns in the ocean.

 

[Cybrludite]

There are two types of shooters.

Those who have had an ND.

and

Those who will have an ND.

it will happen eventually. The best you can do is try your best every day to make sure that today isn't the day it happens, and be extra careful so that the one time it happens, nobody gets hurt.

I take this more as Felix's mindset in the book "Armor" and his certainty that one of the Ants are going to eventually kill him. Just not the one he's facing at the moment. Every time you futz around with a gun, you're going to have an ND unless you follow the Four Rules and do what you're supposed to. Thinking otherwise leads to complacentcy and that leads to an actual ND. (If that makes sense, let me know & I'll start over...)

 

[JLStorm]

One of my instructors once mentioned that even if you are not thinking and ignore one of the four rules, as long as you are following at least 3 you will be ok. Im sure others will disagree with this, and it certainly doesnt mean that you should be negligent about the 4 rules, but I have yet to figure out how following 3 of the 4 rules you could hurt anyone (other than maybe hearing damage). What this means to me is that if there is a ND and some damage to property or person is done than someone was being grossly negligent by not even following 3 of the 4 rules. just my .02 cents though YMMV

 

[barnetmill]

A few extra rules that are important:

Do not handle firearms or anything else that is dangerous when you are impaired: Impaired does not only mean drinking alcohol, it means being tired, bored, distracted, or not devoting your full attention to what you are doing.

Always point a fire arm at a safe back stop when touching the trigger, safety, or working the action. Cambering a round can result in a discharge. Be especially careful after action or stock work or when dealing with a poorly maintained firearm. High primers are another possible issue to deal with from reloads.

Build your house to be bullet resistent so that bullets discharged in the house or outside of house cannot pass through your walls. My windows sit 40 inches above floor ht so that when I am sitting a bullet cannot strike a window and then me. The eight inch block walls are poured with concrete (also has rebar) and there is an additional layer of brick. The doors are steel.

just my dollar's worth

 

[universal]

Do not handle firearms or anything else that is dangerous when you are impaired: Impaired does not only mean drinking alcohol, it means being tired, bored, distracted, or not devoting your full attention to what you are doing.

Good post!

 

[scott5]

ND or AD

Hello all,
Well back in the 80's the local Police Department was having a training siminar at the Civic Center about 8:30-10:00 PM when they decided they could let one of their officers go as not being needed at that time.

Well he loaded his weapon and went out to his car and they called him back and decided they needed him for a domestic disput reenactment. One thing everybody forgot was to have him unload his live rounds and reload with blanks, untill it was too late.

I don't know if he killed or just wounded the other officer acting as the bad guy.

 

[.cheese.]

Sorry you guys disagree.

I simply passed on the words of wisdom that were passed on to me during a training (former LEO taught).

I think it's probably true.

It probably won't be today, tomorrow, next year, etc.... but one day (even if it's at the range and you're on target), you probably will discharge your weapon without intentionally meaning to.

However, most if not all ND's result in nothing. Most are at ranges, others just put holes through a wall.

I'm not saying ND's are ok - I'm just saying, we have to be mindful that statistically speaking - it will eventually happen and to just be on your best guard always to prevent it from happening right then and there.

 

[doubleg]

Of course, a TV might well be worth shooting.

I wish someone would shoot mine. Maybe the people I live with will do something other than watch it.

 

[whenindo]

No way I'm aiming aiming anything at my $2500 t.v.

 

[.cheese.]

You know guys - think of it this way since many of you are under the impression that the words passed to me are "the words of an anti".

What happens when you drive a car? Statistically you eventually get in an accident.

Did you want to? Heck no. You tried to avoid it at all costs.

Are there some that are careless and don't put as much effort in avoiding it as you - yes - and they probably shouldn't be driving. (My rant against South Florida drivers ends here).

The chances of somebody being hurt or killed in an ND is much less than in a traffic accident.

Just yesterday I saw a girl who had huge scars all over her and it was apparent she had been in some sort of major accident. I felt terrible.

But do we outlaw cars because of this? No. And we don't even have a constitutional right to them either. We keep them around because despite how much trouble they cause (in terms of fatalities and such), we also derive some level of benefit from them.

The same goes for guns.

Even assuming my instructor/trainer was on the money and that everybody eventually as an ND, considering most of those ND's end up having no consequences other than needing some spackle and paint attention (possibly replacment of appliances - depending upon what you did) - we still derive benefit from our ownership of them. Personal safety (and that of our family), sporting purposes like hunting, plinking, casual target practice, etc.... you name it (the list does indeed go on).

Does anybody go through life without one? Sure. Does anybody go through life without a car accident? Probably.

But ultimately cars are the bigger threat - and you don't see anybody getting up in arms and saying cars should be banned.

So don't worry about this little piece of trivia. Personally I think it's true - but that doesn't mean that I feel less confident using or carrying a gun. I just do my best day-to-day to make sure that today is not the day that I make a mistake.

 

[universal]

I simply passed on the words of wisdom that were passed on to me during a training (former LEO taught).

How about this: I am a former LEO and firearms instructor and I am telling you that you will never have a ND if you choose. There, that should do it.

I don't know if he killed or just wounded the other officer acting as the bad guy.

Something similar happen in Nebraska a few years back. Some State Troopers had training with empty weapons. They loaded their weapons to go to lunch, however, one trooper forgot to unload his weapon when they came back and ended up killing his best friend.

 

[.cheese.]

Ask me when I'm on my deathbed (and hopefully 90+).... we'll see if his theory pans out.

 

[pax]

Seriously, what do you guys use as back stop for dry firing. I have seen a stump and ballistic fiber listed. What else do you all use. I generally just point toward soft dirt.

There's an article called "safe backstop" on my website that addresses that question, & gives some ideas.

Also there's an article titled, "Safe Dryfire," which talks about how to dryfire safely. Here's a hint: pointing at the cat or out the window or at your TV or your firstborn child because you "know it's unloaded" is just a really flipping stupid thing to do. You can and should follow all four of the four rules while dryfiring.

www.corneredcat.com

pax

People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die. -- Jim Davidson

 

[phonesysphonesys]

A tv will stop a .357 JHP round. Don't ask how I researched it.

Semper Fi