Ammo supply catching up with demand?

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Not in my neck of the woods, it's not. I'm still struggling to get an adequate supply of 9mm to make a decent range trip and haven't seen any .380 in more than three months now. Even the bulk .22 packs are scarce here. The shelves have rifle ammo stock aplenty but not much at all in the way of handgun rounds. It started here in January and hasn't let up.
 
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No, YOU make more revolver ammo. And, if you LEARN how to cast your own bullets, YOU can make revolver ammo for little more than .22 rimfire ammo sells for. Time for some of you guys to quit yer bitchin' and start taking care of things yourself.

Don

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I, and many others would love to be able to "make our own", but without primers, it's pretty difficult. I have been unable to find primers (SR, LP, SP) around Dallas for weeks.

Bob
 
When capitalism, Adam Smith and free market economics are on the table it seems reading comprehension really takes it in the shorts.

Consumers expressing displeasure and shopping elsewhere is a fundamental part of a free market. I didn't see any proposal that those perceived to be gougers be harmed by government fiat.

There's an old Texas free market axiom: You can shear a sheep any number of times but you can only skin him once. If a vendor leaves a customer with the impression he's been "skinned", the customer will likely find a different vendor.

There are a lot of customers finding different vendors due to actions taken by vendors in recent months and this is part and parcel of a free market dynamic.

And I've crossed a few off my list because I preferred the business practices of certain of their competitors.

There's nothing about seller's rights that implies I should abrogate my rights as a purchaser, up to and including my right to remember, hold grudges and not shop anywhere I believe may have attempted to "skin" me rather than "shear" me. Ain't capitalsim wonderful?

Chieftain merely suggested that others may wish to exercise their rights as consumers similarly. I saw no call for regulation by any agency, only a reminder that annoyed consumers may wish to act like annoyed consumers. Free markets do not impose pricing controls nor do they force consumers to buy from those whose business practices they abhor.

You are, of course, free to determine if you were annoyed by the business practices of any of your suppliers.
yes, exactly, I couldn't have said it better myself.
 
I have been unable to find primers (SR, LP, SP) around Dallas for weeks.

I hear you on that. I went small primer hunting last week and was only able to score 200 small rifle primers. Still, this will pass, and the guys who reload will always be in a much better place than those who don't.

Don
 
Unfortunately for me, I live in the town that just so happens to be the headquarters for the Texas Department of Criminal Justice.

Every time I swing by WalMart and inquire as to why they're out of handgun ammunition, the response is always the same - "The TDC has people show up here every time their shift ends, and they buy every box of ammo that we have."

It's kind of a shame, honestly. If I was competing with other individuals for ammo, I'm sure I'd at least stand a chance at getting some. But against the TDCJ and all of their resources, I consider myself lucky to have gotten the 800 rounds of WWB 9mm that I have. I'm hesitant to even go shooting, because I'm not sure whether or not I'll be able to get ahold of any more.
 
Went by one of our local Wally Worlds today and actually found some ammo. I grabbed a 250 rnd box of UMC .40 S&W for $67.50 and 2 50 rnd boxes of Blazer Brass .40 S&W for $12.97 each. Also got 2 20 rnd boxes of Fed .30-06 180 gr and 2 boxes of Fed .308 150gr. The rifle ammo was $12.97 a box. They had no .38-.357, 9mm, .380 ACP or .45 ACP or bulk .22. They did have some Win brand rifle ammo (.243, .308, .22-250,etc) but it was around $18-22 a box. I didn't buy all the had of anything except the 250 rnd UMC .40 S&W. They only had one box of it. Maybe the supply is starting to pick up but I won't believe it until I can buy any type of powder or primers or bullets I want locally.
 
Chieftain merely suggested that others may wish to exercise their rights as consumers similarly. I saw no call for regulation by any agency, only a reminder that annoyed consumers may wish to act like annoyed consumers. Free markets do not impose pricing controls nor do they force consumers to buy from those whose business practices they abhor.

You are, of course, free to determine if you were annoyed by the business practices of any of your suppliers.

Hawk,

Well said, Sir.

Thank you.

There are a lot of folks here that have no idea how free Market Capitalism works.

Good luck.

Fred
 
Chieftain

Nifty non-response. :rolleyes:

We have a pretty darn good idea of how it works. It works pretty well now, but not as well as it used to, because we have things to deal with like regulations, onerous taxes, and unions - precisely because people run around riling up the great unwashed for no legitimate reason. Such conduct is most assuredly within their rights, but certainly not akin to the moral high ground they would seek to claim by doing so.

No one currently alive in this country has ever known the level of unfettered liberty our forefathers did, and virtually every encroachment upon liberty has come wrapped in a cloak of "fairness". Ironically, many have been made in the name of people who made their own beds, then complained about the consequences of the choice they made and sought to blame and villify others for the result.
 
I'm just really happy that I have enough ammo on hand to last me 18 month's, all calibers. I can weather this storm, but it does tick me off, all these guys buying 5000 rounds of 223 at one time, 80 lbs of gunpowder, 2 cases of primers, ect, ect. People are going way overboard here, the world has not ended. Its pretty silly if you ask me.

I'm not part of the hoarding problem either, I've been stocking my stuff for the last 3 years, I knew what was coming, didn't wait till the last minute, because you're screwed if you did.

One more bonus for me......I'm a reloader.
 
Nifty non-response.

My response to you is to quote William F Buckley Jr.:

“I would like to take you seriously, but to do so would affront your intelligence.”

We have a pretty darn good idea of how it works. It works pretty well now, but not as well as it used to, because we have things to deal with like regulations, onerous taxes, and unions - precisely because people run around riling up the great unwashed for no legitimate reason. Such conduct is most assuredly within their rights, but certainly not akin to the moral high ground they would seek to claim by doing so.

Telling friends and acquaintances about a business that I feel is charging what I think is unreasonably high prices, is “RILING UP THE GREAT UNWASHED”? Boy, maybe your friends don’t wash, mine do, and none of them got riled up. In fact in almost every case, they warned me of stores and shops that they found to be doing the same thing. That is what friends in the United States do for each other. You know, the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

I would NOT like to know you, sir. Knowing I may go to a business that you believe is taking advantage of their customers, and you would not mention that to your friends? What would you do for someone you knew and didn’t like?

You Sir, would be no friend of mine. I sure want to hear the morality you are talking about? No I don’t want to hear it, refer to Mr Buckley’s quote above, again.

No one currently alive in this country has ever known the level of unfettered liberty our forefathers did, and virtually every encroachment upon liberty has come wrapped in a cloak of "fairness". Ironically, many have been made in the name of people who made their own beds, then complained about the consequences of the choice they made and sought to blame and villify others for the result.

Fair is at best a point of view. It doesn’t really exist.

I am talking about being, in my opinion, poorly or badly treated.

What in the hell are you talking about? All I said is if the Ford dealer was charging 10,000 dollars more for the exact same truck than all the other Ford dealers in town. I would warn my friends. Apparently you would not. I presume for fear of "RILING" them up.

If you think that is the problem with the Republic……. I really can’t help you. I don’t think anyone can. I sure ain't going to change my life to please a man with such a poor idea of how our country works.

When I worked in psychiatry, there was a principle that is stated with a simple question:

“When a rational man is trying to have a conversation with an irrational man, who has the problem?”

Good bye, I hope you enjoy your world., you are no longer my problem. I am done with this irrational conversation.

Over and out.

Sheesh.

I am done.

Go figure.

Fred
 
I'm going to invest in getting a .22 just because i can find the ammo and its cheaper to go target shooting with but thats until the 9mm and .40 cal ammo starts catching up with demand, it also adds to my little gun collection.;)
 
I have even given up shooting .22's these days due to the scarce supply of Bulk Pack WM junk. Fortunatly, I have been buying extra ammo for the past few years everytime I went to WM. I really didn't do that because I saw this coming, just cause I used to shoot alot so it cut my trips to the store w/ the high gas prices and whatnot. Now the few local Mom and Pop's that I used to buy ammo at, (Gunstores/Pawnshops) have resorted to price gouging as well. $9 Bx. (20) Hotshot 7.62x39, $25 Bx. (50) .38/.357/.45...No end in sight. Ya' cant blame them really, not w/ todays economic/political unrest. These are strange days indeed...Buy it when you can!!!
 
Local sporting goods store I was just at was fully stocked with case upon case of 9mm and .45acp on the shelf last week. I was just there looking at a gun and I noticed some loser in life had completely cleaned them out of both calibers. Funny thing is, rifle and shotgun ammo was all fully stocked.This is just getting stupid.
 
I have even given up shooting .22's these days due to the scarce supply of Bulk Pack WM junk.


Everytime i go anywhere rather its Wal-Mart or a gun shop, they always seem to have the .22 ammo, but they are always out of everything else.
 
I was at my local Dick's Sporting Goods and they had all shelves full, then later went to the local Wal-Mart and they had some .40, .223, .44mag, .38, and .357mag. in addition to a variety of hunting rifle cartridges.
 
Chieftain

What world are you in?

You've backed so far off your original position that it isn't even recognizable. Your posts had nothing to do with "warning your friends" until you decided that was your exit strategy.

Had you drafted a post that said "Retailer X is charging way too much money for Y - wait it out or, better yet don't go there", that would have been much different. As it was, if you'll refer back to the first page, your original post (I've ditched the empty lines in between to save room) was thus:

"For future reference, remember the retailers that took advantage of us.
Prices legitimately went up, but that did not justify screwing your customers.
When ammo availability gets better, remember who took advantage, and who did not.
That is when we have the power again. Of course many folks will be able to rationalize this away.
Go figure.
Fred"


I responded - to no one in particular and making reference to no one:

"As for the retailers, they're only
1) "screwing" those who choose to buy; and
2) trying to use pricing to keep some ammo on their shelves, for those who will freely and happily pay the inflated price.
We're free to buy, own, and shoot the ammo - or decide not to. The seller is likewise free to sell it in the manner he sees fit - or not at all."


You then felt the need to quote the last portion of this, responding with:

"That is exactly my point. I hope to visit upon those who chose their manner of taking advantage of the situation now, the exact same upon them later. Or as once stated in Scripture:
"May you reap what you sow."
I wish on those that over charge us now, at a higher margin than they did when things were not so acute, by my standards, the response they so desperately want when things get better for we patrons. No more, no less. After all, my standards are the only standards that matter to me.
And that is my choice too. As it is yours.
Go figure.
Fred"


Realizing your position was overstated and untenable, you then backed off to:

"I am choosing to use my liberty, and purchase power, some time in the future if I get more choices and have MORE purchase power than I have right now, and choose not to purchase from folks who I think either in fact did, or tried to take advantage of me."

and added:

"Rationalize away. But please don't say things I didn't say, or invent interpretations. I said what I meant."


Thus, I've been taking you at your word, operating with the understanding that, in your first two posts, you "said what you meant".

But finally, magically, by the end of our 3 page journey, you were only...

"Telling friends and acquaintances about a business that I feel is charging what I think is unreasonably high prices"

But STILL managed to relapse, stating that a business charging high prices, of which the consumer is fully aware when he makes the decision whether to purchase at ALL, is somehow "taking advantage":

"I would NOT like to know you, sir. Knowing I may go to a business that you believe is taking advantage of their customers, and you would not mention that to your friends?"

So, not only did you talk yourself in circles, and mitigate/alter your original contentions until they were unrecognizable, but in the end you came back to the very same falsehood: the belief that an informed, willing purchaser is somehow being "taken advantage" of.

In the end, you even reveal to us why this cognitive dissonance took place, when you said:

"I sure want to hear the morality you are talking about?
I am talking about being, in my opinion, poorly or badly treated."


Look at my first post, quoted at the top of this one. I never doubted that those who were buying at these prices were taking it on the chin, price-wise. All I said was that the retailers are certainly within their rights, and the consumers were literally asking for it.

I was never talking about morality. I didn't mention it, ever. I was talking about liberty. The two are compatible and both are desirable - indeed, the latter certainly seems to bear greater fruit when informed by the former - but it's madness to confuse them.

An individual right is not necessarily morally "right". Indeed, the sovereignty of the individual is a morally neutral concept. Anyone who tries to read the latter into the definition of the former is an individual who truly demonstrates a lack of understanding regarding this nation.

We are descendant from a tradition of people who left their own shores and came to this continent precisely because they didn't want someone else's morality imposed upon them.

Before I graduate law school in a couple of weeks, I'll be sure to use my free access to Westlaw and/or LexisNexis to research the state and standards of the regulatory framework governing "working in psychiatry". I want to be sure that, at least in South Carolina, we only have rational people in an occupation involving so much rationalizing, as it is abundantly clear that the act is possible without the capacity.
 
Ammuntion supply seems to be improving.

Good thing too because now I have some large containers that need filling.
 
Chieftain I will defend your second amendment right and your first amendment right too. If you don’t like what a store owner is doing I will listen. I will also trust myself to judge what I think is right thing to do. I appreciate anybodys opinion and usually trust my own.
 
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