annoying glock fanboy

[lance22]

I woulda given the devil his due - he's retired AND a retired LEO I would have humored him a bit and played dumb - and thanked him profusely for his help. Then, I would have gone somewhere else and bought the [handgun of choice] that I was looking for.

There are people who are the same way about any kind of handgun so no big deal - depending on where you go you will be told that the Kimber is the only good handgun, or the glock, or the XD, or a revo or whatever. You can't get away from that and no big deal ... sometimes I just like to gab with these types and if I'm lucky I'll be treated to a story or two.

 

[atblis]

Well

If my department allowed it I would carry a Kimber TLE/RL. Is that bad?

Yes. Not because it's a 1911 though.

 

[alpharaider]

similar experience

I recently ordered a Kimber Custom Target II and had it sent to my FFL. When I went to do the paperwork 1 of the guys that worked there was a Kimber/1911 guy and the rest were all Glock guys. The Glock guys were sort of **** talking my Kimber as I am completing the paperwork. It was not that big of a deal and they were sort of joking but I mean I'm the customer and I found that very annoying. Just thought I would get that off my chest. Oh well when I "cool down" in 9 more days that Kimber will finally be mine!

Alpha Raider

 

[Guitargod1985]

#4 "Glock is the best blah blah blah." Anytime anyone categorically states that brand x is the best, it's ALWAYS debatable. I don't care what gun it is.

#1 carrying condition 1 is stupid, unsafe and is never useful

Isn't carrying a Glock with one in the tube carrying in condition 1? What a moron. LOL

 

[ugaarguy]

Perhaps there is a financial incentive for salepersons to push the Glock.

Nope, they've enough standing orders that every gun they make is spoken for weeks before it's made. They don't even do promos with factory reps at gun shops anymore - no need when you sell every pistol you build. I wish they paid me for doing my part on the back of the 4473 on each of their pistol the customer walks in and buys - the guns sell themselves.

Mass-produced plastic and stamped metals parts are DIRT CHEAP. It's amazing that the demand puts the Glock at a higher cost than the machined steel CZ-75 pistols. For it's purpose, it's worth the cost for some. But a bargain - from a financial and craftsmanship perspective - it's not.

Austrian labor is far more expensive than Czech labor. For their reliability and durability they're well worth the cost - as are most major combat pistols when initial purchase price plus cost of maintenance (AKA TCO - Total Cost of Ownership) is factored in over several years.

-Uga(a 1911 and S&W fan who sells glocks)arguy

 

[brownie0486]

Police departments use Glocks because they can buy them cheaper than anything else.

They buy them because they are extremely reliable and cost less than other major manufacturers can put them into their inventories.

They could buy Highpoints very cheaply, but you don't see them in duty belts.

It's not just about price, it's about reliability for their pricepoint.

edited to add: I work behind a counter a few days a week at a local shop myself. I recommend, if asked, based on several questions I ask them. If they ask to see something, they get to see it. If they ask for an opinion, they get answers based on my experiences with many different firearms. If I have not owned/carry that model or even the maker, they get an "I don't have an educated opinion".

Ultimately it is up to the customer what they want to buy based on their idea of what works best for them. You can guide them in their search, show them several makes/models and let them decide. There's NO financial incentives at the shop to sell one brand over another.

They always want to know what I'm carrying, they get to see a glock most of the time but it could just as easily be an HK or CZ. The next question is usually why I made that choice. They get an educated opinion based on experience, no more or less.

Brownie

 

[brownie0486]

I've got to add this into this thread, as it happens a lot at the shop.

Customer:
"I don't like glocks"
Me: What don't you like about them?
customer: I heard ***, or my buddy said ***, or I read ***.
me: have you fired one?
customer: no
me: how do you know what you like and dislike if you haven't fired one?
customer: no answer.
me: Do you have something specific in mind today?
customer: no, but I don't want a glock
me: let me know when you'd like to see something that catches your attention.

Brownie

 

[ugaarguy]

Police departments use Glocks because they can buy them cheaper than anything else.

They buy them because they are extremely reliable and cost less than other major manufacturers can put them into their inventories.

They could buy Highpoints very cheaply, but you don't see them in duty belts.

It's not just about price, it's about reliability for their pricepoint.

Except that Glock damn near gives away pistols, at times even selling them at a loss just to put their name in police hands. Their extreme low-ball pricing is indeed a factor in why so many LE agencies use them; to deny this is to live in an alternate reality.

 

[brownie0486]

Their extreme low-ball pricing is indeed a factor in why so many LE agencies use them; to deny this is to live in an alternate reality.

And no administrator is going to put high points in the officers hands at half the price, or less, of a glock either. It's not just about pricing as I stated before, and if someone thinks it is only because of the price point the PD's can get them for which is the determining factor they also "live in an alternate reality."

Brownie

 

[mavracer]

Their extreme low-ball pricing is indeed a factor in why so many LE agencies use them; to deny this is to live in an alternate reality.

And no administrator is going to put high points in the officers hands at half the price, or less, of a glock either. It's not just about pricing as I stated before, and if someone thinks it is only because of the price point the PD's can get them for which is the determining factor they also "live in an alternate reality."

He said a factor,which price is a factor.Glock is giving .45gap guns away to LE to try to popularize the round.it has long been Glock's MOA.
you try to make it sound like he said it is the only factor,it is not Glock has a competative product,But its not the only answer.just a little reality check.

 

[brownie0486]

mavracer,

Which is exactly what I said several posts ago here:

They buy them because they are extremely reliable and cost less than other major manufacturers can put them into their inventories.

and It's not just about price, it's about reliability for their pricepoint.

It's one factor of many that are used in the decision making process. I didn't try to make it sound like he said it was the only factor, his response using my previous comments seemed to suggest he either didn't read the post or didn't comprehend what I has said.

As we were essentially agreeing with each other on this issue. Of course admins look at their costs to purchase, but if those guns didn't have a history of reliability and low maintenance costs, they would not be chosen to begin with.

Brownie

 

[glocker1911]

Here's an idea for you. If you do decide to "talk to a manager" and complain, be real sure you make it known that you don't appreciate having your time wasted listening to stories about Glocks while you are busy trying to waste the saleman's time having him show you guns you never intend to buy from them!

Sometimes you just have to love the old "what goes around comes around" karma.

 

[quickcanary]

Sigh. Apparently the fact that this salesman had a closed mind and an annoying attitude is another reason to hate on Glocks. If the guy had been an "annoying Colt fanboy," I doubt there would be a problem.

Some people just love to hate Glocks, don't they?

I don't drink the kool-aid, and I'm open-minded enough to know that Glock isn't the only game in town, but seeing people bash a gun that's so popular for a myriad of reasons does tend to get old. Oh well, I suspect that won't change any time soon. I'm happy with mine and the nay sayers are missing out as far as I'm concerned. That just leaves more for the rest of us, right?

 

[mavracer]

I didn't try to make it sound like he said it was the only factor, his response using my previous comments seemed to suggest he either didn't read the post or didn't comprehend what I has said.

I think you're the one not reading the others posts,and its starting to get annoying.

Except that Glock damn near gives away pistols, at times even selling them at a loss just to put their name in police hands.

 

[col_tapiocca]

#7 I ALMOST FORGOT!!!! he also told me that "he would never trust a 1911 for carry... that the only gun he would ever trust for carry is a glock"

But he has absolutely right at this point. They are no better pistole for carry as a glock.
O.K. maybe a HK P3000 or any pistol from good old europe

 

[mightyike]

I was 100% traditional when they came out (ie my mind was closed)...I lost everything through personal problems, what wasn't sold was stolen...so after a 15 year hiatus one of my first guns was a Glock....and you know what? I like it. I can own two for one of my Colts (but I love my 1911 MK IV's 38 supers and MK IV's 9X23mm)....I like them all. Is one better than the other? Probably. I also like my little Mk40 Elite Kahr.....but I like all handguns....even my CZ Duo....especially one old Nazi PP ( the only one that made it with me...phosphate finish)....haven't replaced my favorite all time: S&W model 58.

Most of us won't face life or death gun fights (like the young men Mertha libeled....to hear one of them on a radio show....amazing...) but for me, I keep my little one centimeter Glock with Heine wide notch straight eights at home....but don't be put out when someone bashes your gun....they jes don't know.....your 1911 has been around the block a few times....stood the test of time.......all are nice.....I feel good I live here and not 'there' ......nice to worry about what gun I like best or think is best.....99.9% world would have no conception.....

Discussions of Guns? What country has such a plethora of handgun choice?

I hope forever....

 

[KurtC]

I think I ran into the same salesman once, but back then he only had 15 glocks. I told him that if he had one decent, properly built handgun, he wouldn't need 15 glocks to make up for it. He went to take care of another customer and let me be.

 

[lanternlad1]

"I think I ran into the same salesman once, but back then he only had 15 glocks. I told him that if he had one decent, properly built handgun, he wouldn't need 15 glocks to make up for it. He went to take care of another customer and let me be."

THAT'S AWESOME! Smackdown!

 

[ArchAngelCD]

HEY, at least the Glock guy was trying to sell you a pistol when you were looking for a pistol. I went to Cabela's today wand was looking at revolvers. I was unlucky enough to get this young guy when my number was called. Don't get me wrong, his age has nothing to do with him being a bad draw, it's just that he probably never fired a revolver in his life. I was asking if he had a used pre-lock J frame in stock and he actually tried to put a Glock in my hand. I stared at him for a few seconds and then asked him nicely, "where's the round thing that you put the bullets in on that revolver you have in your hand?" His mouth dropped open and he stared at the Glock, then me and then the Glock again. I just smiled and took another number!!

 

[Nix]

Sigh. Apparently the fact that this salesman had a closed mind and an annoying attitude is another reason to hate on Glocks. If the guy had been an "annoying Colt fanboy," I doubt there would be a problem.

no not at all, i didnt want to look at a damned colt either lol. there was specific criteria that i wanted to meet and i didnt care if he was a rep for rock island... i didnt want to see a pistol that didnt fit what i was looking for, i was short on time (only had about an hour and a half to look at the toys) and i wanted to see what was in my specifications so i could think about the feel and pull of each pistol that i looked at. (didnt want to remember guns that werent what i wanted) and he continuously pushed the damned glock. i own an xd and if he had pushed an xd i would be just as angry

 

[frogomatic]

Had an experience with the fanboy/snob type not to long ago. Went to Green Mountain Guns looking into a new XD45. I thought to trade an AR for the pistol and some ammo. I was offered $300 for the AR. I thought it was a joke at first, so I asked again. They weren't going higher than $300. I chuckled at the clerk, said "I'm taking my business elsewhere", and left. A couple of weeks earlier I had went there to inquire about a highpoint carbine. When I asked about one, the clerk got this disgusted look, rolled his eyes, and said "we don't deal with hi-points". These two events have given me cause to spend my money elsewhere. Not to mention that after doing some price shopping, I've found them to be noticably overpriced. (that XD45 I was looking at had a $520 price tag)

 

[Tom Servo]

"There is no 'best gun' for everybody, and anyone who tells you there is such a thing is lying."

That's our motto at work. I'd estimate that there are 2,565,344,940 Glocks in the hands of people who bought them based on advice from a friend who "knows guns."

Glock (though I don't think it was intentional) fostered the image that theirs was the One True Gun for every person and every situation. There's no such thing, and many inexperienced folks, given choices, will end up finding something that fits them better.

It's a reliable gun, though it takes some getting used to, but it's got an odd grip angle (which I've not "gotten over" in 20 years of shooting), and the trigger isn't the best thing for jumpy amateurs.

 

[pablo45]

I am a big Glock fan as well and I would not say that Glock is the most accurate. It is the one I shoot the best. I agree with you. I would of been annoyed as well. He is there to hand you a gun not lecture you for your choices.

 

[crebralfix]

It's just a friggin' gun. Know how to shoot them in case you are in a violent encounter and that's what's available. Other than that, carry on with whatever you like best!

Shop at a different store and make sure to write a letter to the DISTRICT and STORE managers.

 

[JohnKSa]

"I'm sorry. You're obviously under the impression that I asked for your opinion. I didn't. I asked to see what I want to see. Now are you going to show me what I asked for, or do we need to call your supervisor/ go someplace else?"

Exactly the proper approach.

When faced with someone who is intolerably rude, just about the only useful response is to be just as rude back.