Anti from somewhere least expected...

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

Hiya,

I'm pretty much posting this because I'm wondering how such petty thoughts came from this mind... So I'm pondering.

I live in an entirely pro-gun family (almost, explanation coming up), and me as a child and growing, along with my brothers, were taught gun safety from our father. We all liked guns, we shot frequently, and we all thought we were cool for having them.

Fast forward ten-twelve years and this is what I get...

I get on these forums about once in every 4 or so hours, and troll for about an hour or so. First thing my "supposed" brother says is, "Guns are bad, and should be destroyed. When I run for president, I'm going to order all guns smelted and make this a communist nation."

Well I have no freaking clue how this would get into his brain, so I brought up the past, (something he claims to have no memory of, go figure), and he says that he hasn't fired a gun in his life, which I know is BS because like three weeks before me and him went shooting for the last time I'll EVER take him shooting, for various other reasons.

He talks about making a gun free nation, modeling us after the all mighty and powerful Russians (forgive me, but he's obsessed, everyone in the family knows it, and I've got nothing against them from my brothers from the Motherland, but all the talk does sorta get old) He obsesses over them so much, that even when you say it's an obsession, he flies off the handle.

He has a case of ADHD, with a severe temper, so no one believes that he should own a gun, and a part of me thinks that he's so anti because no one will allow him to own a firearm. Also, one if his favorite catch phrases are, "Humans are animals, and will snap and blow everyone around them up, that's why CCW should be illegal."

I'm sorry but the only one that blows up is him. I know we've all had our tempers, but his takes the cake. All he talks about when he's mad is how he'll kill you or whatever.

So, another thing he likes to do is trash our country that is kept in the safe by the responsible gun toting americans, saying that we all are a bunch of ignorant rednecks, and all who own guns need to be shot. Also, he likes to say that "Rednecks" with full auto weapons legally obtained are in the hands of psychos.

How would I go about dealing with this? I'm living with my Mother again, and thought about moving back out, but I don't have a job at the moment, and when you do the ignore trick, he doesn't quit the crap like the annoying person is supposed to, he pulls the "Let's Do It Louder" crap and will go on for hours.

For some reason, this kid has turned completely un-American, and I think should be kept in a country where there are all sorts of guns all over the streets, but being an anti won't use them, such as Somalia, and see how far he gets.

 

[Standing Wolf]

He talks about making a gun free nation, modeling us after the all mighty and powerful Russians (forgive me, but he's obsessed, everyone in the family knows it, and I've got nothing against them from my brothers from the Motherland, but all the talk does sorta get old) He obsesses over them so much, that even when you say it's an obsession, he flies off the handle.

He'll probably start to mellow out when he turns 14.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

...He's 16 now.

 

[iowajones]

He'll probably start to mellow out when he turns 14.

...He's 16 now.

Even at 16... He just sounds like a kid trying to rock the boat or be what he thinks is different. He's not going to listen to anything you've got to say at this time.

 

[JWarren]

Wow....


I'm not going to "dog-pile" your family member, but I do have a few questions and comments.


First and foremost....

How old is your brother? EDIT: you answered this.

Does he have new friends?

He talks about making a gun free nation, modeling us after the all mighty and powerful Russians

I'll assume that he hasn't watched the news since 1989.

He has a case of ADHD, with a severe temper, so no one believes that he should own a gun, and a part of me thinks that he's so anti because no one will allow him to own a firearm. Also, one if his favorite catch phrases are, "Humans are animals, and will snap and blow everyone around them up, that's why CCW should be illegal."

This falls into a long-suspected belief I have about many antis. While many will assert that we are an "evolved" society where weapons have no place, the reality is that they themselves struggle with a primal instinct that they find difficult to control. Somewhere in their subconscious, they believe that they cannot control their own impulses, and therefore no one else can, either.

The premise is that if everyone is like them, then nothing is wrong with them.


I love the arguement that "Humans are animals, and will snap and blow everyone around them up, that's why CCW should be illegal." It has strong elements of truth, and yet ignores the fact that disarming innocents makes them the PREY of those animals that he worries about. Its a case of how somone can be onto something, and still reach a completely wrong conclusion.

So, another thing he likes to do is trash our country that is kept in the safe by the responsible gun toting americans, saying that we all are a bunch of ignorant rednecks, and all who own guns need to be shot. Also, he likes to say that "Rednecks" with full auto weapons legally obtained are in the hands of psychos.

This is where he and I will really start having trouble-- on many levels.



I honestly don't know how you would deal with this family member. The best advice I can give you is to ignore his rants and not bring up any issues to give him reason to rant.

If he insists anyway, I'd promptly tell him that we have fundamental differences of opinion on some issues and you will not discuss them.


Good luck!


-- John

 

[Picard]

If communism is the perfect form of government, why did it fail so miserably?

Tell him if he doesn't like freedom, to get the heck out of this country. At least he isn't old enough to vote yet.

 

[dogmush]

He's 16. There's a reason adults look so infuriatingly down on teenagers. They really don't have any experiance in the world.

Let him be a high-school revolutionary, and continue to set an example of what a stable, hardworking american should act like. Give him 5 or so years and I'll bet he settles down.

 

[armoredman]

If you have guns at home, make sure they are VERY secure. Get a job, and get out. Offer brotherly advice and help, if you can, but make sure he has no access to your firearms.
If he has been recently diagnosed with ADHD by a "professional". did they just start him on some "medication", like Ritalin? No, I don't believe in ADHD or anything like it, or the so-called "professionals" who drug our children into complacency.

 

[freakshow10mm]

Pain compliance. Every time he talks that commie talk, kick him in the junk and punch his lights out. He'll learn. It's called tough love.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

Frankly,

I'll be honest with you guys, as I have been, and don't EVER plan on changing. I'm turning 19 this year. I've been told that I'm "too mature for my age" or that "I take on more responsibility than I should be..."

Well I take pride in it, because I'm on a beeline for success, even though I've found that college isn't for me. There are plenty of respectable jobs out there, and I've got a couple targetted.

Even at 16... He just sounds like a kid trying to rock the boat or be what he thinks is different. He's not going to listen to anything you've got to say at this time

He'll listen to what you say, then change words aroudn and whatnot, making you look like you're in the wrong, which is annoying. No matter how much I ignore it, he ticks into over-drive on the BS.

I'm not going to "dog-pile" your family member, but I do have a few questions and comments

Hey, to be honest, right now, and in the future, I really don't care. And he only has 1 friend. Go figure.

I'll assume that he hasn't watched the news since 1989

That's another thing, he doesn't realize Heath Ledger or that news guy, or even George Carlin died in the last couple weeks (months for Heath, and the news guys' name escapes me at the moment).

This falls into a long-suspected belief I have about many antis. While many will assert that we are an "evolved" society where weapons have no place, the reality is that they themselves struggle with a primal instinct that they find difficult to control. Somewhere in their subconscious, they believe that they cannot control their own impulses, and therefore no one else can, either.

The premise is that if everyone is like them, then nothing is wrong with them.


I love the arguement that "Humans are animals, and will snap and blow everyone around them up, that's why CCW should be illegal." It has strong elements of truth, and yet ignores the fact that disarming innocents makes them the PREY of those animals that he worries about. Its a case of how somone can be onto something, and still reach a completely wrong conclusion.

That's what I think he's worried about. Either he wants to stop all possiblities of himself and others doing it, or he doesn't realize he does it, and claims that I'm the type that will snap and shoot everybody, when the only thing I've ever done to him in anger is beat the living tar out of him. I don't NEED weapons to kill someone if I had to. But that's beside the point, and I'm not going to get into that. I'm no mall ninja or anything of the sorts. I've given myself a lot of confidence to in Tae Kwon Do.

This is where he and I will really start having trouble-- on many levels.

I've gotten into it with him many, many times. He would obviously like to be a puppet on a flippin' string than be a, in his words, "Fat Retarded, Good for nothing Rednecked American", when he himself was born and raised here...

And another thing I forgot to add is that he claims to "study" and "read-up" on other countries and cultures, and claims he knows everything. He says that the Swiss handed there weapons out to Germany for WW2, he says Russia uses shock collars on their kids...

If communism is the perfect form of government, why did it fail so miserably?

Tell him if he doesn't like freedom, to get the heck out of this country. At least he isn't old enough to vote yet.

Exactly, and he's on the same page with Obama and Hillary.

He's 16. There's a reason adults look so infuriatingly down on teenagers. They really don't have any experiance in the world.

Let him be a high-school revolutionary, and continue to set an example of what a stable, hardworking american should act like. Give him 5 or so years and I'll bet he settles down.

I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't see it happening. He's too high up on his horse to care about "Poor-People", when to be honest, where I'm living now can hardly afford to feed five! It'll only be like this until I get a place of my own though, which is looking promising from job searching.

If you have guns at home, make sure they are VERY secure. Get a job, and get out. Offer brotherly advice and help, if you can, but make sure he has no access to your firearms.
If he has been recently diagnosed with ADHD by a "professional". did they just start him on some "medication", like Ritalin? No, I don't believe in ADHD or anything like it, or the so-called "professionals" who drug our children into complacency.

Don't worry, they are. When I'm home, both keys are in my pocket. When I'm out, one set is with me, the other is with one of the parents. As far as he's concerned, they don't exist to him anymore.

Apparently, he's too good for brotherly advise, and instead, tries to share his "Communistic" brotherly advise and say, "Sell your guns, that way you'll be as safe as me in MY NEW GUN FREE WORLD!"
I keep knocking him off that pedestal by telling him that no one is going to vote for a psychopath, and that if he does manage to become "WOrld Leader", that if he tries to take guns away, that I'd end his Tyranny myself.

So. What we've found out is that my brother is insecure about himself, and therefore doesn't want anyone else to have guns because he can't, and that he's an egotistical loser who's only hope of friendship is someone who bends to his will every single time my brother wants to get something done.

 

[230RN]

I'm getting the feeling there's a new girl friend involved who's feeding him that stuff and rewarding him for repeating it.

I've seen it before.

But I'm probably wrong.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

Like stated, he's only got one friend, and it sure ain't a lady friend. He spends 13-16 hours a day playing World of Warcraft.

Freakshow, I'd love to!

But that little bastard will call the police and press charges if I do it. The little panzy.

 

[MakAttak]

Pain compliance. Every time he talks that commie talk, kick him in the junk and punch his lights out. He'll learn. It's called tough love.

I have to admit, I laughed when I read that.

Also, this seems a much more effective means of preventing communism than the cold war.

 

[230RN]

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[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

Him and his friend are male, AFAIK.

I get realy sick and tired of the way he acts. Plus this, the other day I confronted him about why he love's Russia so much more than America, his answer was this, "Because I F*****G want to! You wanna Die now or later?"

Seriously, I'm thinking about having him committed to a mental home because of this, and that my mother doesn't do any flippin' parenting anymore with him... she's given up on him.

 

[hso]

He's 16, why do you care what he thinks?

Find some good scholarly texts on the history of Russia and Communism and provide them to him (library is fine) and suggest no one takes the prattling of a 16 year old slacker seriously, but they might just listen to a 16 year old scholar.

 

[FCFC]

Offer brotherly advice and help, if you can, but make sure he has no access to your firearms.

Yep. The kid sounds wacko. Keep him away from any guns without strict and direct supervision. Wackos really shouldn't have access to guns.

 

[JWarren]

"Because I F*****G want to! You wanna Die now or later?"

Well that clears that up. And its a perfectly reasonable explanation-- if you were debating a three-year-old.


Seriously, if you ever needed proof that you can't have a reasonable discussion with your brother, you have it now.

Just walk away....slowly.


-- John

 

[SSN Vet]

Well, I'll bet ya if he lived in the "motherland" for 6 months it would solve most of his "obsession" problems.

Based on you're description, it sounds like he's disrespectful to your parents.

If Dad didn't set the record straight on who's boss long ago, I doubt he's going to have much luck doing it today.

Hmmm......

Bording school/Military Acadamy? He can become part of the family again when he learns some respect.

OBTW....arguing with a fool is not a wise option for you.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

It's not necessarily arguing with him, I've just tried to ignore him. What this post is about is how sick of it I am to hear.

Our father walked out on us for 5 years of our lives. He came back, of course, but parents were divorced. Mom dated a lot of bad company, and all that. since then, bro's been hating our dad deep down, and well, I can say I've forgiven him. He's not the type to have kids, so he ran. But he's made it up, paid in full, and even has another kid with another lady, and lives six miles away from us kids. He works for UP, and makes a decent living.

To my bro, there is no Dad.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

Oh, and boarding school or Military academy wouldn't do a darn thing for him. He thinks our military now is a joke. He says that when technically, we haven't even lost a war. he seems to see no difference in a tactical withdrawal and a cowardice retreat.

 

[freakshow10mm]

Buy him a plane ticket to Moscow for Christmas. One way.

 

[cruzan]

You wanna Die now or later?"

Wow I would take that serious, brother or not. I think he needs professional help . At 16 if I had told my brother that I would still be eating through a straw.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

I'll even pack his bags and make him live over there to work long enough for him to come back if "America doesn't Suck so badly".

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

Cruzan:

Last time he told me that, I gave him a fist full of "love".