Any arguments over guns during Christmas?

[seale]

Boy I had a doozie. My sister in law (God rest her soul some day) came over. Granted, she had her husband leave her for another woman (partially because of her irrational and very very VERY anti gun attitude), so trying to reason with her was probably (i.e. definitely) pointless. I don't have the slightest idea how we got to talking about guns but I asked her straight up why she is so anti gun when her grandpa was so pro gun. She cannot form a logical argument to save her life so her response was no surprise. She said "I see bad things on the news and I'm afraid for my children's safety." Well the more a person tries to reason with this woman, the more defensive she gets, and the more defensive she gets, the more she talks and changes the subject. I of course carry, and she likes to stick her nose into other people's business. I said that if you see me, then I'm carrying. She demands that people disarm before entering their house (which she refers to as hers). She knows I won't disarm, and I haven't been to "her" house in many months, but it wasn't stated that I shouldn't come over if I'm carrying...that is until yesterday. I said "fine."

I know that some of you had the topic of guns come up over the holidays and you probably had relatives all over the place. I'm wondering if the gun topic turned ugly. I'm further wondering if new declarations (related to firearms) were made in the process like the one made to me where I am not welcome because I carry.

 

[cornman]

No problems. I don't think it is appropriate to carry or even talk about guns on at a time that is supposed to celibrate the Prince of Peace.

 

[seale]

So you are saying that guns are the opposite of peace?

Sir, guns KEEP the peace.

It's a shame the criminals don't follow your advice. It is well known that Christmas is one of the most likely times to be robbed, either in your home or not.

 

[Tommygunn]

Well, I don't decide to carry based on day of week or vacations ... but if I knew I had a relative or in-law who was antigun I wouldn't broach the subject on Christmas day for sure.

 

[expvideo]

I actually had a gun arguement go well. I was explaining to my girlfriend that I would be using my tax return to buy a suppressed pistol. She asked me why I would want to spend so much money on a gun and started to get upset about it. Now before I go any further, I should mention that we've been together for more than 2.5 years and she is pro-gun, just not pro-spending $800 on a .22

Anyway, I explained to her that I learned a long time ago from my father that I need to get all of my toys before I'm married, or I won't get them. I told her that if we get married and especially if we have kids, I will not be able to spend $800 on a pistol that could be going to college funds, a better house, better cars, bills, etc. She agreed that I most certainly would not be spending large amounts of money that could be going to children. So I told her that I have a bit of a pre-marriage bucket list, explained the expensive purchases on the list and she seemed to be ok with that. Understanding why I felt the need to buy the expesive guns now, she has approved my purchase. I'm pretty excited about that. It's nice that she can be reasoned with.

 

[N003k]

Closest to an arguement that started for me is when I saw my aunt and uncle that I haven't seen in about 3 years. Shortly before I got my first rifle and started collecting, (18 now, so was only 15 then). Well, I'm already a lifetime NRA member and they noticed the lapel pin I have on that says that, and they brought it up, after explaining WHY I was...they rolled their eyes and said 'In that rebellious phase...' I didn't bother responding...

The rest of my family on that side aren't really pro gun, but they were kind enough to get together chip in and get me the rest of the money I needed to pay off a gun, they just don't like me to bring my guns around, but they don't mind that I have them.

 

[Redneck with a 40]

My brother made a comment, at our christmas gathering, "are you're guns still safe". I said yeah, Obama's not going to touch guns for at least a year, probably two, the world is falling apart around him, so is the good o'le USA. He did vote for Obama, it was a lighthearted comment, and we both agreed that guns were not a priority right now. A co-worker of his even bought an AR-15, so my bro might be finally coming around, understanding lawfull gun ownership.

 

[expvideo]

No problems. I don't think it is appropriate to carry or even talk about guns on at a time that is supposed to celibrate the Prince of Peace.

Christ told his disciples to arm themselves. There is no connection between celebrating the Prince of Peace and not carrying a gun. Do you think that the people that wish to do you harm take Christmas off? Did you hear about the Santa Clause killer? If only one person at that Christmas party was carrying a gun, he could have had a chance of stopping this man. Do you think that would upset Jesus?

 

[seale]

I actually had a gun arguement go well. I was explaining to my girlfriend that I would be using my tax return to buy a suppressed pistol. She asked me why I would want to spend so much money on a gun and started to get upset about it. Now before I go any further, I should mention that we've been together for more than 2.5 years and she is pro-gun, just not pro-spending $800 on a .22

Anyway, I explained to her that I learned a long time ago from my father that I need to get all of my toys before I'm married, or I won't get them. I told her that if we get married and especially if we have kids, I will not be able to spend $800 on a pistol that could be going to college funds, a better house, better cars, bills, etc. She agreed that I most certainly would not be spending large amounts of money that could be going to children. So I told her that I have a bit of a pre-marriage bucket list, explained the expensive purchases on the list and she seemed to be ok with that. Understanding why I felt the need to buy the expesive guns now, she has approved my purchase. I'm pretty excited about that. It's nice that she can be reasoned with.

Wow expvideo. It ended good so I'm happy for you. I'm pretty pro marriage but I've got to give you props for being open, honest, and holding on to your interests. So SHE never buys anything over a certain dollar amount (I assume she works)? Is SHE saving a lot of her current earnings "for the children?"

 

[expvideo]

they rolled their eyes and said 'In that rebellious phase...'

I wouldn't call it "that rebellious phase", I would call it that "idealistic phase" that comes a few years before that "abandon all hope" phase. You'll get to that one soon enough, when you get some more experience with the difference between the way things should be and the way things are.

 

[expvideo]

Wow expvideo. It ended good so I'm happy for you. I'm pretty pro marriage but I've got to give you props for being open, honest, and holding on to your interests. So SHE never buys anything over a certain dollar amount (I assume she works)? Is SHE saving a lot of her current earnings "for the children?"

LOL, I imagine we will both be more frugal when and if (probably) we get married and have children. For right now, we're going to start keeping a running record of who spends more in 2009. My record will be of my gun purchases, hers will be of her clothing/shoe purchases. She's a bit of a shop-aholic, so I should have no trouble getting all of the class 3 goodies I can afford and still coming under budget.

Yes, we both work. She's a phlebotomist and I do customer service /technical work for now. It's not exactly high-paying, but we get by ok with a little extra spending money.

 

[Mrs. Armoredman]

Expvideo, I am all for carring a gun to protect myself and my family. I never argue or discourage my husband from buying a gun. I feel safer when he is carrying here at home or out to the store. I always have a gun near by and I never leave home without one. It is impossible to talk to a anti-gun person. It's like talking to a brick wall. They will bot budge unless something bad happens. I would not wish that on anyone. My family is anti all the way except for my dad(God Reast His Soul) he had some reallt nice hardware and now they are all gone. My sister sold them like they were junk. I am still ticked off at her for it. I have'nt said a word to her in the last 3 years.


Sorry for the rant but this has happened to me in the past.

 

[franconialocal]

Empathy

I'm getting an empathetic migrane headache for you poor bastards....having to answer to your ladies the way you do. Been there....done that....ALL DONE WITH THAT. I guess I'm kind of lucky that way. The girls I've dated know they are "dating a cop" and that weapons just go along with the territory.

 

[dakotasin]

i got into a discussion w/ my mom. she is pushing very hard for me to get a 50 bmg. i finally got very firm w/ her and told her i could not afford a 50 right now. (i won this exchange)

i got into a much shorter exchange w/ my wife. she won't let me buy any more rifles until i get another safe (however, handguns are ok because they don't take up as much room). (i lost this one)

so, since i am banned from further rifle purchases for awhile, i'm going to press on and look into getting a can and then an appropriate gun to stick it on. in fact, just starting to research handgun suppressors tonight.

i'm sorry for you guys that have to do battle w/ anti's within your own family, but want to say 'thank you' for carrying on the fight.

i'm married w/ 3 kids. when i got married, i had 2 rifles (a 7 rem mag and a 10-22), 1 shotgun (rem 870), and 1 handgun (s&w 686). my gun collection has grown rather large in our 5 years of marriage - not shrunk. helps to have a rational wife who supports my hobbies instead of viewing them as a line in the sand where a battle must occur.

my christmas ended 1-1 in the gun debates. 50% isn't all bad.

 

[seale]

^dakotasin that's awesome. Mom is pushing you to get a .50? I guess it's possible.

I'm getting an empathetic migrane headache for you poor bastards....having to answer to your ladies the way you do. Been there....done that....ALL DONE WITH THAT. I guess I'm kind of lucky that way. The girls I've dated know they are "dating a cop" and that weapons just go along with the territory.

These people you're dating love government more than they hate guns. The minute you changed to a non government job, I'll bet these same people you date suddenly become anti gunners.

 

[shooter429]

Praise the Lord and pass the ammo!

Jesus believed in promoting peace through love. He was not a passivist, however. Many people think the the idea of turning the other cheek, means we cannot fight rapists, murderers or even enforce laws. This is not how it should be interpreted, but rather to advocate forgiveness instead of retribution. That does not mean you have to watch your family be slaughtered without lifting a finger. Defense is perfectly okay. In fact, Jesus told his Disciples to sell what they had and buy swords (which were used later by the apostles to defend Jesus initially from the Roman soldiers sent to arrest Him).

Also, Christ would take action against wrongdoers. In one case he found the Jews had turned the temple into a "den of theives." jesus, filled with righteous anger, destroyed the market by violently overturning furniture etc.

No, as Christians we have the right and responsibility to protect the innocent and bring the bad guys to justice through a court of law, but not by individual retribution.

And why would anybody think that guns are somehow the antithesis of peace. They are dumb instruments, which can be used to promote peace and love, just as they can be used to commit hate crimes. It is all in the user and his/her mindset.

Shooter429

 

[dakotasin]

seale - yeah, but not because she knows anything about it, but she is freaked about the economy, and likes the idea of 1- owning tangible items (her favored idea is gold, second is guns), and 2- is very pro-gun. also, my uncle is extremely pro-gun, and rabidly pro-50, so i think she hears some of his rantings. and when he starts a political rant, standby, it is gonna get heated!

 

[EHCRain10]

well i had two really good discussions about guns.
One was with my 16 year old cousin who wishes to start skeet shooting at his private HS and his father who has always been afraid of guns but now wants to learn about them. Gave them some advice on starter shotguns and offered to have them come down and shoot.

The second was with my grandmother who is in possession of my grandfathers collection that was passed down to him, I got her to give me first right of refusal for all of the guns (not sure how many or what condition, working on that the next time im around her) and my parent have already agreed to loan me the money to buy them if im short when the time comes.

I think its a pretty good start towards educating more of my family.

 

[rfwobbly]

LOL, I imagine we will both be more frugal when and if (probably) we get married and have children. For right now, we're going to start keeping a running record of who spends more in 2009. My record will be of my gun purchases, hers will be of her clothing/shoe purchases. She's a bit of a shop-aholic, so I should have no trouble getting all of the class 3 goodies I can afford and still coming under budget.

In other words, you have your jewelry, and she has hers.

Why wait? Marry that girl! The money tight spots don't appear until the kids do. Don't pass up a chance to have someone that sensible as a life mate.

 

[JeffDilla]

I had conversations about guns, but they were all positive. My 88 year old grandfather and I had a conversation why it only makes sense to keep a gun next to the bed in the nightstand because "you never know". In another conversation I found out that my girlfriends mother (whom I wrongfully assumed was somewhat anti) used to shoot quite often and even reloaded! My Christmas actually turned out to be very gun oriented.

 

[Mrs. Armoredman]

Empathy

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I'm getting an empathetic migrane headache for you poor bastards....having to answer to your ladies the way you do. Been there....done that....ALL DONE WITH THAT. I guess I'm kind of lucky that way. The girls I've dated know they are "dating a cop" and that weapons just go along with the territory.




Thats what my current husband said to me. He said guns are apart of me and if you don't like it then leave. We have been together now for 13 years and he doesn't have to answer to me,defend me,or ask me to buy a gun. I just show my support and thats the end of it. NO MAN will ever have control over me when it comes to crimes against women. THEY WILL meet the business end of MY NINE if they try to hurt me or my son. You dated women that could not accept the fact that you are a cop with a gun and you carry. I applaud you for standing up to them. I sure would. You take me as I am or go away.

 

[harmonic]

I don't talk controversy w/anyone other than biz assoc. I actually have extended family members who are defined by their confrontational attitudes. I haven't seen or talked to them in years.

And nobody but my wife and son knows about my firearms. That's a part of my life that's extremely private.

It's all served me well.

 

[stevemis]

Funny. I OC'd my Dan Wesson CBOB at the family get-together at my sister's house on Christmas day. I never took it off. Then again, being the resident "gun nut", the family has kind of come to expect this from me. I OC'd at Thanksgiving dinner at our house this year, too.

Most of the gifts between me and the wife were firearms-related. She opened up a Ruger LCP and a scope for her CZ 452. The scope was actually her request... how cool is that?

She got me a Browning Hi Power, with the original Browning zipper case and original purchase receipts from the former owner. The pistol was made in 1972 and is a solid 98-99%.

My inlaws got a Mossberg 500 Cruiser in 12ga.

My mother and sister don't really understand any of this stuff, but I think they appreciated the Hi Power because of it's age and condition. There aren't too many firearm owners in the family, but I'm not aware of any Antis.

 

[JeffDilla]

Anyway, I explained to her that I learned a long time ago from my father that I need to get all of my toys before I'm married, or I won't get them. I told her that if we get married and especially if we have kids, I will not be able to spend $800 on a pistol that could be going to college funds, a better house, better cars, bills, etc.

Man, you're a genious! Do you mind if I use that? I have a couple of handguns that I'm interested right now, and the lady kind of rolls her eyes (even though she just bought me a rifle for christmas). She's made comments about getting a house at some point, which I am completely open to, but I "just need to get these couple of purchases out of the way first"

 

[makarovnik]

No problems. Everyone in my immediate family is pro-gun.

I do have one friend who's father was killed by an accidental shooting. Out of respect for her I don't take my weapon into her house even though her husband is very pro-gun.

My wife's father was accidentally shot through the neck with a .22 when he was 12. He almost bled to death but was picked up by a cop and delivered to the hospital in time to save him. My wife is pro gun and was in the military.

I do have some in-laws who are very anti-gun but we agree to disagree and respect each other's opinion and try to avoid the subject.

I don't try to ram my opinions down people's throat and I appreciate them for not trying to ram their opinion down my throat.