Anyone, Besides Me, Wanting to De-Tacticalize?

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Nothing dumber than a 'Tactical Mount' for an AK-47
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Nothing dumber than a flashlight mount for LED flash lights
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LOL, I have a Surefire G3 LED on a rail segment on my HD AK, and it is very functional.

If you're skeptical of LED lights, perhaps you haven't used a good one? The G3 LED is brighter than the original Surefire 6P incandescent, while giving you 9 hours runtime including an hour at full brightness.

I don't have the light on there for "cool factor"; I run it because I want to be able to use the carbine safety and effectively in low light, and I chose the LED because I didn't want to have to be changing batteries and bulbs all the time.
 
LOL, I have a Surefire G3 LED on a rail segment on my HD AK, and it is very functional.

If you're skeptical of LED lights, perhaps you haven't used a good one? The G3 LED is brighter than the original Surefire 6P incandescent, while giving you 9 hours runtime including an hour at full brightness.

I don't have the light on there for "cool factor"; I run it because I want to be able to use the carbine safety and effectively in low light, and I chose the LED because I didn't want to have to be changing batteries and bulbs all the time.
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I was just thinking about the free LED flashlight the NRA promised if you signed up for two years and then ran out of. I was wondering if it was ever going to come and lo and behold, it showed up in the mail today.

Nice little led with a tactical, crenelated strike bezel. :)
 
Great thread. There is obviously more marketing dollars and great Hollywood movie shots of tactical weapons than for older or more 'civilian' style firearms, hence the high demand. The only attachment I've added to a weapon was a crimson trace - which is completely worth it BTW.

I love all kinds of guns, especially old military guns. The guns I shoot all the time are my K98 and Garand + my P38 and Nambu. My wife and kids like the tactical weapons more because they see them on movies. But for me, my next acquisitions are gonna be black powder.

However, I still plan on a fully suppressed 300 Whisper with a gen 3 scope. What could be more fun!!!!
 
I was just thinking about the free LED flashlight the NRA promised if you signed up for two years and then ran out of. I was wondering if it was ever going to come and lo and behold, it showed up in the mail today.

Nice little led with a tactical, crenelated strike bezel.
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What brand of light was that?

I already did a 5-year a while back, so I didn't get the light. Oh, well.

I prefer a non-crenelated bezel, myself, because I like to be able to stick the light in my pocket without jabbing myself in the leg or ripping out my pocket liner.
 
It all depends on what you define as "tactical". I do not consider 30-round magazines, polymer pistols, or flat tops as "tactical". I do not consider my AR-15 or Glocks tactical. Do what you will.
 
I'm definitely with benEzra on this one. I've got that Surefire on my 590 because I want to be able to positively identify whatever I'm about to dump a load of buckshot into. Out here in CA it's rarely far from my mind that we're always seismically poised to have the lights turned out for a few days at any given time. I was on the fence about putting any sort of light on a gun until I read a man's account of staying up at night and tangling with looters after Katrina. He mentioned that he was very grateful for the light on his carbine, as it was the only way he could have used a long arm and still seen what he was dealing with in the pitch black of a city without power at night.

Like benEzra, I sure don't have that light on my shotgun to look cool. If anything, it's the opposite-- I'd rather that the DA see I defended myself with an old wood-and-steel clunker than with the militaristic-looking 590. I'd rather have a shotgun without that extra weight up front where it slows things down the most. With every passing year (I'm 32) I find myself liking the old classics more and more-- my favorite guns will always be the ones with American hardwood and blued steel. But for now I'm hanging on to that 590 w/Surefire. I may not like the way it looks or handles, but it's hard to complain about having 8 shells in the tube, an LED light and ghost ring sights.
 
The black stuff never really held much appeal for me. The closest I got was in the military; an M16A1, and a CAR-15 now and then for awhile. I never even blacked my first Mini-14, avoided polymer framed pistols when they came along, and have really preferred forged steel - parkerized, or polished blue,
 
I think a Bingo game may break out at any minute! :neener:

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I like it when folks go through what I call "De-Tac Treatment". They usually proceed to sell off their mall-ninja guns for next to nothing.

-And I pick them up for next to nothing, strip off the excess add-ons and reapportion them appropriately, and go shoot my new-to-me fun guns!

I won't buy guns from friends that are going through De-Tac, though. It makes for hard feelings when they go into the next stage, seller's remorse.
 
I never got bit by the tacti-cool trend. Thought about it many many times in the last three years, but I can't justify spending $1000+ for something I can't afford to shoot anyway on a regular basis.

But I do have my Mini-14 which is "enough" for me. I can blow away $300-$400 worth of ammo through it in a couple hours and that is hardly trying. I can't afford that kind of fun on a regular basis. Fun? Yes. Waste of money? Yes.

I shot an old WWII Mauser 22 rifle yesterday for the first time and I have to say I really enjoyed it.
 
I've occasionally looked the bare rails that I have on a couple of my guns and tried imagine a laser or light on the end and then my imagination turns to other far more important things. As a result, the entire tacticool fad has pretty much passed me by.

I did see a 100 LED flashlight the other day that was so bright that it'd blind an entire food court full of zombies, I admit to feeling lust.
 
@Theotherwaldo - I just went through that.. AK+Eotech+PG870 shotgun that'd been through a housefire, months of rain, etc while being excavated from the remains.. I refinished it with spraypaint, replaced the wood furniture with 20$ plastic pieces from AIG or something...

same thing to the AK. It was a really crappy gun. Worked well enough, but overall quality was just poor. Canted sights, messy trigger, weighed a ton, too.

Also very uncomfortable to shoot in the prone position, and a PITA to operate one handed. The AK+eotech+shotgun package went for 500$ or something, maybe even less than that..


I ALMOST sold a series 70 govt model with the briley spherical bushing, and 2" compensator for 400$



All of that was replaced by a rifle I broke ALL my old records with by a long shot, and a 1911 OM that usually works, and is fairly accurate. I suspect the magazines are the culprit. When I first got it, the novak magazine it came with ran flawlessly. Then it stopped keeping the slide back, then it sometimes had a noseup failure. The wilson combat mag I had for it had noseup and nosedown failures. The colt magazines I have for it work the best, but occasionally fail to feed by locking the cartridge against the feedramp and the extractor.


Still, I can hit whatever I want out to a reasonable distance, and I get to practice malfunction clearing all the time.
 
"Tacticool" is usually about feeling like you're part of a group, in this case the group of super-elite special-forces-airborne-ranger-SEAL-Marines that actually use that stuff in the real world. Seems for some people (not anyone in particular, and not necessarily anyone in this thread), non-tactical is the same thing. It's feeling like you're good enough and knowledgeable enough to have gotten past the tacticool stage and gotten back to basics.

Now, before any panties get bunched, I'm not talking about anyone in particular, or the majority of users of "non-tactical" stuff. But Sometimes I get the feeling someone is talking trash about "tactical" just to fit in with some old-timers.

Me? I'd have an AR if I could afford one, and it would have a red-dot sight on it - if I could afford one. I have a folding stock and a three-point sling for the 500A. That's about as tactical as I get right now.

Bottom line, each and every one of those tactical guns and gadgets exists for a reason, and presents some sort of advantage and some sort of disadvantage. Weigh them and decide if it makes sense.
 
I've always been anti-tactical. I look at my guns and try to make them as simple as possible. Guns that are wood and blued steel are my favorite. Yeah, I'm that guy.
 
There is obviously more marketing dollars and great Hollywood movie shots of tactical weapons than for older or more 'civilian' style firearms, hence the high demand.
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Just a quibble, but lever-action Henry/Spencer derivatives (like the Winchester 94) and bolt-action Mauser derivatives (like the Winchester Model 70 and Remington Model 700) are just as "military style" as a non-automatic civilian AR-15 or civilian AK, if not more so.

Modern is not synonymous with military, and classic is not synonymous with civilian.

FWIW, most of us don't choose AR's and AK's over Winchester lever guns due to "marketing or Hollywood" or because they're "tactical", but because of the functional characteristics of the guns themselves. My AK is basically a 20-shot autoloading .30-30 with detachable magazines, a scope rail, and a more rugged design. I prefer it over a .30-30 lever gun on its merits.
 
Never went "tactical". My rifles/shotguns are geared to hunting, and pistols are all revolvers.
If pushed to use guns for self-defense, I would rather use what I'm familiar with.
 
Definatly not tactical minded. I only own 2 guns, only carry 1 tupperware. Don't see the need for an AR or AK. I'm nearing 62 and walk with the help of a heavy hickory cane. I'm just an old guy who doesn't want to be a victim.
 
i dont' take the term "tacticool" very seriously. it comes off immediately as pejorative.

what i put on my weapon is dictated by what i think is necessary, solely in terms of defensive use.

what i think is necessary has been determined by trial and error, and instructor input from formal training.

if you are feeling a minimalist urge to "de-tacticalize," fine.

if you want to appreciate the utility of something as simple as a two-point adjustable sling, vfg, rail system, and a white light, then take a carbine class or two or three or four.

you'll find all these things have their place AND HAVE RELEVANCE TO THE ARMED CITIZEN in HOME DEFENSE.

otherwise, it's useless junk hanging off your weapon.
 
Me too. Return to yesteryear. Buy a revolver. I just got a new to me S&W M24 4" and think it is neater than all of my plastic guns. Howard
 
Good golly Miss Molly! I actually looked at some SA wheelguns yesterday. First time that's happened.
 
Y'know what I'd like? A modern firearm design that doesn't take it's cues from what some marketing dude thinks the military or police are using this week.

Since we are in General and it isn't restricted to a particular gun type, I choose a shotgun for an example, the 870 for HD in particular.

Now there's a gun with a lot of tacticool accessories, while many seem like fashion accessories, others don't. So what if you started from a baseline of particular tasks and built the gun from there? What would it look like? Would it end up looking tacticool? Here's what I mean, I want:

Maneuverable

Rust-Proof

Low-maintenance

Reliable

Easy to acquire sights

Nice Trigger

Balanced and not too heavy

So for me that translates into:

20" Bbl

Stainless Steel

Poly Furniture

Slicked-up internals

Wingmaster TG

Gold Bead

Adjustable Stock

This gun doesn't look like a blued/woody classic, and it doesn't look like a SWAT riot gun. This gun doesn't exist AFAIK.
 
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