Anyone point an "unloaded" gun at you?
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mljdeckard
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But even after you check it, you STILL treat it like it's loaded.
When I do classes, I use blue dummy guns to demonstrate poor handling techniques. I won't use real guns and break the rules for training. The army is actually terrible about this. They expect you to point real guns at each other all of the time for training, and it engenders complacency. It's hard to yell at someone for sweeping you when they just spent all afternoon doing it in an exercise. They SHOULD issue blank-firing adapters, (and I think also remove bolt carriers,) but they often DON'T. The result is, a safety briefing where they go over the four rules, and then immediately tell you it's ok to break them now.
When I do classes, I use blue dummy guns to demonstrate poor handling techniques. I won't use real guns and break the rules for training. The army is actually terrible about this. They expect you to point real guns at each other all of the time for training, and it engenders complacency. It's hard to yell at someone for sweeping you when they just spent all afternoon doing it in an exercise. They SHOULD issue blank-firing adapters, (and I think also remove bolt carriers,) but they often DON'T. The result is, a safety briefing where they go over the four rules, and then immediately tell you it's ok to break them now.
jakeiscrazy
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My 16th birthday I had just returned from the gunshop with my new 10/22. We are all oggling it and all persons are being very safe. My dad asks to handle the gun and my buddy hands it to him. He says "This is unloaded right?" I turn around only see him pointing the gun directly at me! He said something to the effect of "Stick Em". I yelled at him for the better part of an hour and told him to never do that again. That of course only translated to "back talk" and got me in trouble. To this day he maintains he was " just testing" to make sure I would correct him. I maintain that it is never okay "testing" or otherwise. Needless to say he didn't grow up with guns and I never began shooting until about 14(with a family friend). But none of that is an excuse of a lack of common sense.
Every day, multiple times...in the gun shop where I work....I gently steer the muzzle away from me and anyone else in there.
I'm thinking of putting a target up high on the end wall and when handing a pistol/revolver to a customer steering the muzzle at the target and asking them politely to do their pointing in that direction.
I check each gun as it comes out of the case before handing it to the customer and again before putting it in the case.
I'm thinking of putting a target up high on the end wall and when handing a pistol/revolver to a customer steering the muzzle at the target and asking them politely to do their pointing in that direction.
I check each gun as it comes out of the case before handing it to the customer and again before putting it in the case.
Claude Clay
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1--if it even happened once and you corrected him, it should never happen again,
2--if it did happen again i would tell him he is no longer my friend and why, and
3--i would advise him the in the future should a gun in his hand point in my direction that i will return fire
wheelgunslinger
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The gun shop knowitall loudmouth customers are the worst.
"Blablabla, I know everything there is to know via google and message boards about this weapon. Look gun store employee. I'm super knowledgeable. Please like me."
All the while he's sweeping me and everyone else with the muzzles of whatever he's looking at that day/time.
Almost every time I go in a gun store these days I have these clowns doing this stuff around me. They're the worst because they'll tell you they know better and then they'll just do it while motormouthing about trajectory, caliber wars, brand component issues, etc.
"Blablabla, I know everything there is to know via google and message boards about this weapon. Look gun store employee. I'm super knowledgeable. Please like me."
All the while he's sweeping me and everyone else with the muzzles of whatever he's looking at that day/time.
Almost every time I go in a gun store these days I have these clowns doing this stuff around me. They're the worst because they'll tell you they know better and then they'll just do it while motormouthing about trajectory, caliber wars, brand component issues, etc.
Nushif
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Slightly OT, but I hate it when *any* element outside of my chain of command disciplines my folks. That is my job to have my Sergeant do. Not *anybody* elses.
Remarkably though, with all the really inept gunhandling I've seen I have never actually had a gun pointed at me outside of some very mild mess-ups. I've been occasionally flagged, but never actually like ... full on flagged for any amount of time and told "It's not loaded" or some junk.
As mentioned it happens quite frequentlly, especially at gun shows, It's annoying trusting that strangers made sure to check the guns befor handing them to other strangers, who may now be pointing that laser at my head, just to see how it works. But it's either that or not go. Anyware else, it's not a "pass", I will jump down someones throat if they point a gun at me in a gunstore. The guns are not strapped up, and anyone can slip in a round and just give it back and wait. No reason to sweep people, just aim at the empty area or the ceiling or take it in the are where the range is, if they have one.
sonick808
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JJsher90: That's not a friend. Dump him immediately and never contact him again. It's only a matter of time before something goes too far or an accident occurs. DITCH HIM
joeq
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"My friend is a bit of a jerk. He will point his nine,shotgun,Ak, and whatever else he has at me loaded or not."
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A bit of a jerk? That's understating it a whole lot. There is absolutely no way I would ever hang around with that dude. You are putting yourself in a bad situation that can be avoided.
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A bit of a jerk? That's understating it a whole lot. There is absolutely no way I would ever hang around with that dude. You are putting yourself in a bad situation that can be avoided.
Unaccepatble, you become the same as the prople you surround yourself with. You should always try to surround yourself with people who are either like you, or the way you aspire to be, not idiots. If you hang with fools you will become like they are. Loose this guy. Latter in life you will look back and sat *** was I thinking.
It happens all the time at gun stores, and sometimes even at the range. 
Each incident is yet another reminder that my practice of safe gun handling is mainly for the safety of others, and that aside from keeping alert and my head on a swivel, my own safety depends on teaching others as I have been taught, whenever necessary.
Each incident is yet another reminder that my practice of safe gun handling is mainly for the safety of others, and that aside from keeping alert and my head on a swivel, my own safety depends on teaching others as I have been taught, whenever necessary.Was at two different gun stores today looking at pistols. The first one every hangun I looked at was checked clear by the salesman. The second I only looked at one but it was not checked until I checked it after having it handed to me. I try to always check them even if I just saw the salesman check it.
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Today. had some pinhhead sweep the 3 ppeople to the left od him. I told him to watch his muzzle control. He just kinda balnk. lke HUH?
chris in va
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Took a friend's kid out to the range a couple years ago. He had great fun shooting a stuffed animal in a tree with my HiPoint carbine.
Good thing I make sure to clear all guns before putting them away, because the little snot took the carbine out of it's case when we got back, pointed it at me and said "BANG BANG".
I hear his backside got quite the warming. It's the last time I ever took someone else's kid to the range.
Good thing I make sure to clear all guns before putting them away, because the little snot took the carbine out of it's case when we got back, pointed it at me and said "BANG BANG".
I hear his backside got quite the warming. It's the last time I ever took someone else's kid to the range.
bbuddtec
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Joe, ty for the printable reminder...
JJSher, you should treat yourself better than letting someone like that walk all over you.
I understand that it may be difficult, but they will eventually be gone if you just not participate.
These ppl need to be reminded they are part of the problem, not the cure. If something does happen, they don't even realize the world of s**t they just bought, never mind what they are legally subjecting themselves to by sweeping.
JJSher, you should treat yourself better than letting someone like that walk all over you.
I understand that it may be difficult, but they will eventually be gone if you just not participate.
These ppl need to be reminded they are part of the problem, not the cure. If something does happen, they don't even realize the world of s**t they just bought, never mind what they are legally subjecting themselves to by sweeping.
AZ
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When I was first getting into guns I took my friend out shooting. All we had was my 22 and 30 06. It was in this desert shooting spot and I went to set up targets down range but once I started walking back I saw the 22 rifle in his hands and as I got closer he leveled it at me and said freeze! and then lowered it and started laughing. He's not a stupid guy and it really was my fault because I hadn't gone over the 4 rules (which I should have done before he got in the car). I hardly felt like shooting after that because I was kind of ashamed of myself for letting someone be in reach of a gun with out going over some rules first but I sat him down and talked and he knows how to treat guns now.
mljdeckard
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You know what Nushif? I don't care. Gun safety transcends rank and position. If you train your guys correctly to not flag people, you don't have to worry about me yelling at them. If someone is pointing a gun at me, I don't care who their boss is. If MY soldiers do something stupid with a weapon and get chewed on for it, I won't defend them. I WILL re-train them.
I teach my sons; "On the range, everyone follows the rules. If you see someone not following the rules, tell them to stop, even if they are a grown-up. If they ignore you, tell the guy in charge. If they won't make them stop, LEAVE." Gun safety isn't subject to rank, chain of command, age, gender, position, or any other distinction.
I teach my sons; "On the range, everyone follows the rules. If you see someone not following the rules, tell them to stop, even if they are a grown-up. If they ignore you, tell the guy in charge. If they won't make them stop, LEAVE." Gun safety isn't subject to rank, chain of command, age, gender, position, or any other distinction.
Nushif
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Fact remains: The best way to address the issue is to let their Sgt. know.
One of the most pathetic sights I have ever seen is the chow ladies yelling at recruits as if they had the authority of a TI.
So by all means ... let their sup's know. That's the right thing to do. But I have to really, really ... bite my tongue every time some random bus driver, lunch lady or whatever is yelling at a platoon.
One of the most pathetic sights I have ever seen is the chow ladies yelling at recruits as if they had the authority of a TI.
So by all means ... let their sup's know. That's the right thing to do. But I have to really, really ... bite my tongue every time some random bus driver, lunch lady or whatever is yelling at a platoon.
smalls
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Normally, I'm the guy you can joke about anything and everything with, no matter how sick or twisted. That woman would have had a loaded gun pointed at her well before she was able to explain that it was unloaded, and it was a joke.
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