C&R question

[Glock'N'Load]

I was looking at my Firearms Curios or Relics List provided by the ATF page 46 of the brown covered list. It says that Armalite AR-15, .222remingtonor 223mfd by colt Must be marked "Armalite" is eligible

Are these guns rare? I assume most armalite ar-15's are marked 5.56 instead of .223 thus excluding them form the list.

Anyone know anything about this? Can we order some Ar15's with our C&R license or are the guns they are referring to extremely rare?

 

[cdrt]

You might want to ask the C&R forum.

http://curioandrelicfirearmsforum.yuku.com/

They might know the answer.

 

[Quiet]

Anyone know anything about this? Can we order some Ar15's with our C&R license or are the guns they are referring to extremely rare?

The guns they are referring to are extremely rare. The were some of the first AR15s ever amde during the late50s.

 

[Gator]

Those are also NFA weapons (I think you are mixing up two different guns), so not only are they rare, but extremely expensive.

# Armalite AR-15, .222 Remington or.223 cals., produced by Armalite.
# Armalite AR-15, Model 601,.223 cal., mfd. by Colt. Must be marked "Armalite."

 

[MDW GUNS]

If they are NFA (full auto) then would need a SOT or a ATF F4, which cost $200.
I doubt that the ATF would list them on the C&R list!

 

[Car Knocker]

I doubt that the ATF would list them on the C&R list!

Well, my little brown book "Firearms Curios or Relics List", a publication of the BATFE, under the heading "Section IV: National Firearms Act Weapons Classified As Curios Or Relics Under 18 USC Chapter 44", does indeed list "Armalite AR-15, .222 Remington or .223 cals., produced by Armalite", along with "Armalite AR-18, selective fire rifle, cal .223, prod. by Armalite, Costa Mesa, CA." Also listed are "Colt, machinegun, model 1914, any caliber" and German MG 34, 42, 131 machineguns; Hotchkiss light machineguns; Maxin machineguns; Russian PSH41, PPS42, PPS43 machineguns; Browning Model 1919 machineguns and "Vickers original military machineguns, all variations, all cals., mfd. prior to 1946".

There are six (6) pages of listings in this section.

 

[Quiet]

I doubt that the ATF would list them on the C&R list!

Some NFA firearms are also classified as C&R.

There are 2 lists of NFA C&R firearms.
One list (Section 4), classifies the NFA firearm as a C&R, but all NFA rules still apply.
Example... Armalite AR-18, select-fire rifle, cal. .223, prod. by Armalite, Costa Mesa, CA.

Second list (Section 3), identifies NFA firearms that are no longer considered NFA and are treated like other C&R firearms.
Example... Mauser Model 1896 semiautomatic pistol accompanied by original German mfd. detachable wooden holster/shoulder stocks, all semi-automatic German mfd. variations produced prior to 1940, any caliber.

 

[MDW GUNS]

That does not make sense, since you have to go by the highest restriction!
It also leaves room for mistakes, because a C&R could think he could buy this gun without NFA transfer approval!
However, after all we talk about Feds!!

 

[Gator]

That does not make sense, since you have to go by the highest restriction!

Don't know what you mean by having to go by highest restriction. One section is full-auto stuff. The other section is for guns that are NFA because of a short barrel, shoulder stock, smooth bore, etc.

 

[ke6guj]

That does not make sense, since you have to go by the highest restriction!
It also leaves room for mistakes, because a C&R could think he could buy this gun without NFA transfer approval!

Not sure why a C&R could think that. The NFA C&R section specifically states that they are still subjecto to all the controls of the NFA.

SECTION IV: National Firearms Act Weapons Classified As Curios Or Relics Under 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44
The Bureau has determined that the following National Firearms Act weapons are curios or relics as defined in 27 CFR 178.11 because of their dates of manufacture. These National Firearms Act weapons, classified as curios or relics, are still subject to all the controls under the National Firearms Act. However, licensed collectors may acquire, hold, or dispose of them as curios or relics subject to the provisions of 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44 and 27 CFR Part 178. They are still "firearms" as defined in the National Firearms Act and 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44.

What is nice is that the C&R NFA firearm can be directly shipped to the C&R holder interstate after the Form 4 is approved. No instate dealer needed.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

a C&R could think he could buy this gun without NFA transfer approval

That's why the thick reg book came with that license. The onus is on the citizen to know the law. Most C&R people know the limits of their license--some over-extend and get burned.

 

[Glock'N'Load]

I have seen full auto c&R Tommy guns. That would be a UPS package I would love to get and open right in front of the guy.