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What can you get with a C&R license?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by kellyj00, Jul 24, 2007.

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  1. kellyj00

    kellyj00 Member

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    I've just browsed the ATF's list of curios and relics...
    http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/curios/sec2.htm

    I don't see anything that cool, or much that I actually recognize.

    Is there anything that I'm missing that would justify sending in the paperwork and the application fee for a c&r?
     
  2. BothellBob

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    :neener:<snotty mode on> Perhaps taste? Class? An aesthetic sense? Maturity? <snotty mode off>:evil:
    To each his own. Some of us think wood and blued steel is "cool". I confess to owning a number of guns that are not C&R, but most of those are antiques. My modern guns I could count on one hand.
    So, :D when you say that, Pardner!
    -BothellBob
     
  3. kellyj00

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    well, I did see the SKS made the list. There was nothing else in the list that looked like I could actually find one.

    I'm not a collector, I'm a shooter.
     
  4. jdm1986

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    I'm both. A novice at both. I have been bitten by the "history" bug - it's never interested me until I picked up a Mosin and some surplus ammo. Not the most noteworthy collector's item by far, but it makes you think. When i got my SKS a while back, I didn't get the bite. I am in the process of getting a C&R now (application being mailed my way). I don't know how difficult it is to get one, but for $30, I'm gonna try.
     
  5. The Viking

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    You can shoot them as well as collecting them! :)
    I would be dancing with joy if I could have something similar to a C&R license only. Garands, M1 Carbines, old .357 revolvers, 1911's, Hi-Powers, SKS's, AG42 etc. Not the most modern stuff, I know, but enough to have some fun with :)
     
  6. CDignition

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    The Best thing is dealer pricing at Brownells and Midway, and a few other places...;)
     
  7. cane

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    Remember any firearm over 50 yrs old qualifies as a C&R even if it isn't on the "list".
     
  8. Neo-Luddite

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    I don't see anything that cool

    You're right--that old junk--who needs it!


    (For the small hastle and $30.00, get the C/R--it will allow you many smaller fringe bennefits in many places (dealer pricing, FFL status for shipping FedEx, exemptions to some state and local laws depending on where you live, and cool goodies via interstate commerce).
     
  9. LotI

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    You're best off leaving all that old junk for us, then.

    Shhh. That's the best secret. But, I guess we can share since we're among friends at the high road. Don't forget Grafs.

    I have saved hundreds of $$ on ammo, bullets, brass, optics, parts, magazines, and accessories for all of my guns because of the discounts extended to Crufflers. But I've spent thousands :scrutiny:

    I would have never had the joy of finding a Swiss K31 made in 1940 with a walnut stock, or another made in '48 that will drive tacks with "surplus" ammo. Each one of these rifles cost $80. I wouldn't have the fun firing 50 year old 7.62X54R ammo for $.10/round from a $70 carbine and seeing the fireball around sundown.
     
  10. AugustusMcCrae

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    Does that mean that if I get a C&R license, I can buy firearms over the internet & have them send straight to me without using a FFL?:confused:

    If yes, I just might get me one. I'm talking about guns that aren't all over 50 years old. Like AK's or shotguns.
     
  11. .cheese.

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    Smith & Wesson, 1st model, Ladysmith revolver, cal. .22 rimfire long.

    I'm confused. I thought to be C&R they had to have no currently produced ammo available?
     
  12. Neo-Luddite

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    NO, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT.

    It does mean, that when you plunk your FFL copy on the counter, the hastle factor for shipping the gun via FedEx/UPS disappears.

    Spend the 30 bucks and take the chance that you'll at least make back that much in discounts and reduced hastles over the next three years.

    .cheese.--NOPE--there are MANY credible and fully functional C/R guns shooting all calibers under the sun.
     
  13. kellyj00

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    what i really want to know is what would your average lame brain (me) buy with a c&r license?

    I'm trying to get excited enough about it to actually do it. Any rifle for $70 is a pretty sweet deal. I heard 1911's mentioned....does anyone know where I can find a 50 year old 1911?

    Where do you C&R holders shop?
     
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    Anything over 50 yrs old is automatically C&R, and you can buy them and have them shipped directly to you. That means anything made before 1957 is automatically a C&R.

    M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, M1917 rifles, M1903 rifles, WWII era 1911s, etc, are all examples of C&R guns.

    If you don't want any of those, there is something wrong with you.

    Check out Simpsonltd.com for a lot of C&R guns. But remember WWII 1911s will cost you at least $1500 and more likely $2000.
     
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    Look--when the deal comes up--you'll have the C/R ready if you get one.
    Check out the gun auction sites--many C/R's for sale---and many that COULD be C/R because of their age and just aren't noted as such.

    Lots of low cost eastern block stuff around--some post-war p-38's and hi-powers qualify.

    No, you can't get a glock or a kahr with it. But the deals on shipping and ammo (dealer pricing) will make it worth your while. And it's suitable for framing!
     
  16. kellyj00

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    "M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, M1917 rifles, M1903 rifles, WWII era 1911s, etc, are all examples of C&R guns.
    If you don't want any of those, there is something wrong with you."

    I want all of those! Didn't see them in the atf's list though.
    The only real issue is an obvious one... the price is gonna be more than a brand new armalite AR15 rifle. I may as well just go down to the gun shop and pick up a Savage .308 as an m1 Garand...though the m1 Garand has a cool nostalgia factor, I really don't think I'm going to find one for cheaper than the $500 that Savage costs.
     
  17. MRIman

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    Let's see,
    Krags,Nagants,K31's,SKS's,LOTS of Mausers,Makrovs,CZ-52's,.....
    That was the 2 second post.

    MRI
     
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    Are C&R excempted from being short barrelled rifles? (I'm thinking of Broomhandle Mausers with the stock attached, and Hi-Powers that also have a stock...)
    Could a shotgun be excempted from being a SBS?
     
  19. KaiserBen

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    The C96 and Inglis Hi-Power are specifically exempted from the NFA. There are many C&R firearms exempt from the NFA (mostly SBRs).
     
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    With a C&R, you get to pick from two different but overlapping lists of firearms. Any one produced more than 50 years ago but not old enough to qualify as an antique can be shipped directly to your door, or any one on the specific lists put out by the ATF even if it's younger than 50 years old. So the list is only a starting point - there are hundreds more firearms that qualify as C&R.

    The rule does generate some silliness. You can buy a Colt 1911 built in 1955 and have it shipped directly to you, but if you buy an identical 1911 built in 1958 it has to go through a dealer. The good news is that the time cutoff moves, so new guns become eligible every year (unlike with antiques which are forever trapped at 1898).

    I believe NFA items on the C&R list are still NFA items, but if they're C&R NFA items you can get them shipped to you directly after you comply with the NFA regulations (transfer tax, etc.), rather than having to have them shipped to an NFA dealer first.
     
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    Try www.aimsurplus.com for a C&R primer.

    There's some great bolt-action rifles you can get that will be great for hunting and target shooting. SKSes are great for blasting and SHTF. There's also the CZ-82 which would make a great HD/SD/CCW gun.

    The Midway discount rocks too. My first big order from Midway paid for the C&R. Everything else is gravy.

    On my list: Mosin Nagant M44, M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, 1903 Springfield, German K98 Mauser, Swiss K31, SKS, and CZ-82.
     
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    What can you get with a C&R?









    Debt.
     
  23. gunsmith

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    nothing cool at all!

    your right! :neener::evil:
     
  24. iamkris

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    Huh? How are

    Garands
    Springfield
    Krags
    1911s
    Mausers
    MAS
    P38s
    FNs
    Steyrs
    Mosin Nagants
    Enfield
    Lugers
    Ariskas
    Henry's
    Makarovs
    SKSs
    K31s
    Winchesters
    FN49s
    Carcanos
    Mannlichers
    Martini's
    Colt's
    etc, etc, etc

    that you can have delivered straight to your door not frickin' COOL? You can have all your tacticool stuff...(well, actually you can't...I like those too) but for coolness, you can't beat the ancestors of combat tupperware.
     
  25. Hoffy

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    3 suggestions

    1) East German Makarov
    2) 1903 Colt
    3) CZ 82
     
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