Are HK pistols worth the money?

[againstthagrane]

But your Glock recoil spring "should" be replaced every ~5,000-rounds and the HK's recoil spring assembly is rated for ~20,000 rounds. If you are smart enough, you only have to replace the spring and not the entire assembly. The springs are cheap, BTW

Get out of here with your logic and reasoning!!! don't you know HK hates us? won't somebody think of the children?!?

 

[HOOfan_1]

Is a Mercedes worth the money when a Chevy will get you there?

I think that would be more of a is a Mercedes worth the money if they were priced at $70,000 for a base coupe, while a base coupe BMW has the same features and will get you there for $40,000.

Or, you could say, if Mercedes made their cars out of plastic and then charged the same amount as a steel BMW...is a Mercedes worth it?

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

But your Glock recoil spring "should" be replaced every ~5,000-rounds and the HK's recoil spring assembly is rated for ~20,000 rounds. If you are smart enough, you only have to replace the spring and not the entire assembly. The springs are cheap, BTW.

20,000? never heard that. also, changing only the springs in a dual captive recoil assembly isn't recommended, or convenient, despite your alleged intelligence level.

 

[Rico567]

This is a forced choice poll, a classic fallacy, and I won't vote in it. (Think of a question: "King Id, rat or fink?".....but what if King Id is some third thing?) The truth here is more complicated than anything that can be elicited by a simple Y/N poll.

Depending on what the pistol is used for, the HK may be overpriced, or price may be irrelevant. If I use the gun for casual plinking, it costs way too much. If it "fits" me, is accurate and does CCW well on me, and my life is at stake, then price may be the least of my considerations.

 

[harmon rabb]

If you cant afford it , you hate Hk and if you can afford it, you love HK

Basically all I got from the bickering

I can afford to buy any H&K I want. But I don't own any. I can't justify the cost to myself, given the quality guns available in the $450-$600 price range (i.e. glock, xd, m&p).

 

[RobMoore]

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[Full Metal Jacket]

This is a forced choice poll, a classic fallacy, and I won't vote in it.

then don't.

If you cant afford it , you hate Hk and if you can afford it, you love HK

lots of folks can't afford a bushmaster ACR, but that doesn't mean they hate it.

I can afford to buy any H&K I want. But I don't own any. I can't justify the cost to myself, given the quality guns available in the $450-$600 price range (i.e. glock, xd, m&p).

well said.

 

[WillDe83]

It may not be the least thought-out statement in the thread, but it is a strong contender.

You need to not take my statement to heart. Dont get offended by a generalized blanket statement.

I apologize if I offended you, I have deleted my comment.

 

[JohnBiltz]

I never was really able to afford a Python back in the .357 heyday but I sure did lust after them. They just exuded niceness and quality. HK doesn't do that for me, there is no lust.

 

[Lucky Derby]

I did not vote because it depends on which HK pistol you are talking about.
P9/P9s, P7, VP70-yes
USP-no

 

[sturmgewehr70]

I own a USP Tactical and an USC .45. They are awesome weapons, but really don't out perform anything else I own in a similar configuration. Hell, my Kel-Tec 9mm carbine is just as accurate as the HK.
I bought the weapons because I liked what I read in the hype. They just never did blow my socks off.

 

[Bentonville]

Without a doubt. Most folks I know who own HKs would say the same thing. Many who have never owned one would not agree. I try not to give an opinion about something if I don't really know from experience.

 

[HGUNHNTR]

My HK USP Tactical is the most accurate 45 I have ever fired bar none. Maybe it just fits me, maybe its one in a million, but it is incredible and well worth the money. I just can't stand target shooting with defensive pistols that have 5-9 pound triggers, the HK makes it more fun by providing incredible accuracy with low cost. (sub 1K) Has anyone gained anything from this thread? Has any HK fan decided their pistol is overpriced crap? Has any HK detractor decided they are in fact worth the premium and has rushed out to buy one? The answer is probably "no" because our main handicap is our huge, fragile egos. There are a lot of polymer pistols that shoot well, pick one that you like and don't worry about what every one else is shooting and their reasoning behind it.

 

[Samgotit]

I did not vote because it depends on which HK pistol you are talking about.
P9/P9s, P7, VP70-yes
USP-no

It is one of the sillier polls, being so vague... but pecking a button is fun!

 

[M2MikeGolf]

I voted "yes", for a variety of reasons.

To be fair, one must consider that what you pay for is not the actual physical worth of an item/firearm. The cost of machinery, design engineers, testing, employee pay, etc. is why automobiles, aircraft, weapons (or whatever) tend to have such high values in relation to cost. HK spends large amounts in research and production considering that they equip many military organizations with small arms (and larger caliber weapons as well). The current small arms they sell are only a small portion of their market, and they, like Mauser, Colt and many others, sell small arms to the private sector and get small return for their overall business.

I think that while there are fine quality firearms available on the market, that HK pistols are worth their cost. HK set out to replace the aging inventory of small arms for the Bundeswehr some years ago, and instead of simply making replacement designs, they also meant to compete or supersede many very high quality military weapons on the market. Few even realize one of the premier .300 Win Mag sniper rifles in the world is an HK (not offered for private sale) and one of the best battle rifles in the world is the G36, also the platform used for the considered replacement to the M16/M4. In relation to pistols, the SIG P226 and Glock pistols influenced the designs of the USP. As a U. S. servicemember, I have fired all of these, to include the US issued M9 and M11 (and M1911), and I think that HKs line of USP designs are at least equal, if not superior to any of those designs. In order not to set off a fury of "mine is better" I won't list individual names, and why I think the USP is as good or better, but if I had to chose a sidearm for military use, I would say the USP (in whatever caliber you prefer) is an outstanding weapon, and might even be my number one choice. HK has been known for cutting edge military grade stuff for almost sixty years now, and that's another factor when you look at cost. I do not own an HK (I have a P228, which I love), but have thought often of trading for a USP compact. I've never been much of a polymer receiver fan, but for military weapons, they make a lot of sense.

I do not want to detract from any manufacturer, all of the high quality ones fetch pretty hefty prices these days. I feel that you get what you pay for with an HK, and believe that all of their designs are worthwhile.

Anyway, my two cents worth. I have to add a personal bias; my last name is Koch!

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

To be fair, one must consider that what you pay for is not the actual physical worth of an item/firearm. The cost of machinery, design engineers, testing, employee pay, etc. is why automobiles, aircraft, weapons (or whatever) tend to have such high values in relation to cost. HK spends large amounts in research and production considering that they equip many military organizations with small arms (and larger caliber weapons as well). The current small arms they sell are only a small portion of their market, and they, like Mauser, Colt and many others, sell small arms to the private sector and get small return for their overall business.

Isn't HK, Mauser?

HK now seems to be basing their guns off other designs like the G36 being based of the AR 18 and the G3 being a licensed copy of the CETME with the MP5 a blowback 9mm brother.

 

[againstthagrane]

Every gun is "based" on another one. The only new design I've seen is the KRISS and even that is a variation on some other design that I can't remember.

 

[NOLAEMT]

I wouldn't trade my uspc.45 for much of anything.

And if I lost it I would replace it with another (although perhaps an HK45c) in a heartbeat.

 

[Stevie-Ray]

I replaced my HKUSP45C with a 3" 1911 that was smaller, lighter, had less recoil, was far more accurate with the same load, has been just as reliable, and isn't butt-ugly. I really bought into the hype all those years ago. I really thought I needed a HK or a SIG. Picking up and pointing them at a local GM assured me that the HK was the more natural pointer for me, I found the perfect one, and a few weeks later it was mine, but I was never truly happy. I'd still love to have a P7. But, the USPC is far overrated. Just as good as a Glock. But not $200 better.

 

[HGUNHNTR]

^ If you like a physical safety, ambi mag release, different grip angle why isn't it worth $200 more?

 

[joe_security]

Stevie-Ray, Would you mind naming that 3" 1911 that has worked so well for you ?
I have always wanted one that would run on 230 grain ball. Since this is an HK thread I will say that I have fired a rented USPc .40 and liked it more than my old G22.

 

[12131]

They are not worth the money. But, I do have a couple of them.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

^ If you like a physical safety, ambi mag release, different grip angle why isn't it worth $200 more?

Springfield XD is about the same price as a Glock and comes with all that.

 

[HGUNHNTR]

^ Yeah, but then you have to own an XD and not an HK.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

^Yeah but you can get a XD cheaper and better than a USP.