Arm the NoDak Highway Patrol

[PMDW]

Glock 22, auto conversion, vertical forward grip.

SIG 226 DAK

Didn't you read the title? It says NoDak.

 

[GaryP]

Needs/wants are:
DA or DAO semi-automatic
.40 or .45 caliber
adjustable grip styles (e.g. change mainspring housings or grips to fit individual hands)
night sights
prefer larger capacity magazines

It appears they already have another S&W in mind!
Like maybe a SW990L

 

[Boats]

Whatever it is had better work well with gloves on. I think the HK P2000 is a little too compact for North Dakota winter gloves.

 

[Mikul]

The P2000 is cut for gloves.

The H&K P2000 and Sig 226R DAK are excellent choices.

 

[Krag]

Para-Ordnance LDA hicap in .40 or .45.

 

[ny32182]

This thread makes me remember how much I want a 4506. If it is built anything like my 1006, I can't imagine what they could possibly do to the thing to wear it out.

 

[mainmech48]

If I hadn't already bought one of the surplused 4586's from an Idaho LEA (Boise area; never could find out what agency) I'd be looking for one of those 4506's in some of the larger LEA jobber's ads.

Mine had Hogues and tritium sights on it when I bought it and was in very nice shape. Only light holster wear and some polishing on the working parts. Paid all of $300 for it, plus taxes. The only thing I've done besides shoot it is replace the original front sight for a brighter new one.

They could do worse, IMO. Mine eats anything, hits where it's pointed, and has the second-easiest DAO system to learn to shoot well with I've ever tried. Gotta hand 1st to the Para LDA.

Betcha that they're dealing more with some arbitrary time-in-service number from the bean counter's manual than any functional problem. They've also probably run through their inventory of new issue/replacements and found out how much it will cost to augment that for new hires without a discounted contract price. They almost certainly have to redo the whole bidding process rather than just negotiate for a better-than-retail price from S&W on their current duty weapon(s).

 

[Boats]

The p2000 might be cut for gloves but the grip is a little too short top to bottom for my tastes and would be even worse with lined gloves.

 

[bobelk99]

New Weapons

Ignoring your specs: My .02 worth
4566 has been the choice of a number of agencies across the states. Maybe not so accurate as preferred by range rats, but fine for LE requirements. They are in use by some KY non-trooper agencies, who are well pleased. Rumor is that KY troopers are moving to Glock 35. Kind of big (5" barrel) and no night sights as marketed, but dependable to the extreme.
I doubt seriously if your govt would go to bid with the specs you mentioned. You will probably find a secondary bid necessary if you require adjustable grips.
Beware LE carrying anything the armorer has to work on. 'Worn Out' is a proper description for an LE pistol over 48 months in service.
USMC just ordered a batch of high end Springfields. Do they know something we don't?
From the budget side you will not be able to beat Glock and S&W.
From the dependability side, Glock is super.
For what it's worth.

 

[rock jock]

Why does a state with a single-digit population need a highway patrol?

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

I can't see ND going with a plastic pistol. The state is run by extreme Luddites who are still suspicious of that fancy new smokeless powder.

 

[depmur]

I would agree that either the S&W 4566 or Sig 220R would work great. I have a 4506 and two 220's. I trust my life dailey to the 220R because of weight and the added advantage of the rail if I decide to drop a light off the end of it. You might also consider the S&W 1911, 1911 style pistols seem to be coming back in vogue in the LE community.

 

[GaryP]

Beware LE carrying anything the armorer has to work on. 'Worn Out' is a proper description for an LE pistol over 48 months in service.

Why so? Most LE handguns are carried a lot and shot very little. There are exceptions of course but the majority get fired during mandatory qualifications and very little otherwise.

 

[keitharsis]

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[Ivy Mike]

Contact FN and inquire about the FNP in .40.

I know they sell them to Browning as the pro-40. The FN Forty-Nine is a DAO model that is very similar. The major differences are the Forty-Nine is striker fired and has no adjustable backstrap. This one gets 14 round mags for .40 versions.

The FNP line is hammer fired and comes with a decocker. There is an option for a decocker plus manual safety. The 9mm comes with 16 round mags and I believe the .40 gets 14 rounders.

USP holsters fit these guys as well.

 

[larry starling]

If I couldn't go with a 1911!then i would have to put my money on a sig-220 or a p-229!!!!!!HK's are way overpriced for a polymer (plastic) pistol!!!My understanding is that polymers were suppose to make guns more affordable!!!A local store in belmont, nc is selling hk's for 899-959 price range!!! :banghead:

 

[teCh0010]

Your requirements are a role that the P99 / SW99 was designed to fill.

 

[chaim]

adjustable grip styles (e.g. change mainspring housings or grips to fit individual hands)

With everything else I'm thinking you have about a dozen choices, but when I saw this criteria I think you "need" to get a SW 99 or Walther P99. I'm sure the HK 2000 would work too, but the SW/Walther pair are what first came to mind.

The other option is to get larger and smaller versions of the same gun as others have already mentioned.

Edit-

Opps, how could I have forgotten, my favorite- the 1911. Being a single stack it fits most hands (though you lose a few potential rounds) and there are different grip and mainspring housing configurations that can be switched out to customize the fit to smaller or bigger hands. It isn't large cap it isn't DA or DAO (though you could go Para-Ord for that), but it is a .45ACP, a proven design, and will fit just about all hands (and for those it doesn't the aformentioned grip and mainspring housing changed should do it). Several brands, including the DAO Para-Ord models, offer double stack/hi-cap variations but IMO you lose some of the advantages of the 1911 that way (esp related to hand fit).

 

[Country Boy]

I can't see ND going with a plastic pistol. The state is run by extreme Luddites who are still suspicious of that fancy new smokeless powder.

What's smokeless powder??

As much as I personally would like, we won't be going with a single action auto, so it's gonna be DA or DAO. Troops have mentioned that they would like the option of different style grips or backstraps. One size doesn't always fit all, and all our grips have straight backstraps, which doesn't "fit" some of us. I really like the .45, but a .40 seems to be tossed around for a caliber too. I don't think a large magazine is a necessity, but I know some guys would prefer one. Stat's say only a few shots are ever used, but a large magazine means that there is less time reloading and more time shooting or moving. I'm drawn to a Para, but there are some other great ideas here. Thanks.

 

[Bart Noir]

It's gotta be a metal framed gun! Otherwise the cold will cause the plastic to get brittle and shatter

And LeonCarr, don't even think of moving up there from SE Texas. Did I mention cold? It is a unique experiance to find breathing painful, and that's without the wind blowing.

As for me, the choice of SW99 seems to be a good one. In .40 or .45.

Bart Noir

 

[lyricsdad]

the sw99 is plastic. from reading this, yeah it does seem like the sw99 or walther p99 fits the bill as it does fill just about everything you require. just they are avail in .40 and 9mm.

 

[Bart Noir]

Plastic? Yeah, I knew that. My fear of the cold is silly, when it comes to these guns. Wait, there is the condensation issue. The in-and-out of buildings and cars will sometimes take a cold-soaked gun into a moist warm room or car. So the beads of sweat form on the metal slide and barrel. A good corrosion-resistant finish is a requirement.

The Walther P99 has a Tennifer finish, best there is, I think. The S&M SW99 has "melonite" which is probably not a disease of the cleavage I just don't know how good it is in preventing rust.

Bart Noir

 

[GaryP]

Glock has a Tennifer finish maybe a Glock 37 in .45GAP is just what the doctor has in mind for the NDHP! I bet Gaston Glocks' Marketing folks are already knocking at the door with the best prices!

 

[LeonCarr]

Hey Bart,

I have a buddy who used to fly B-52s out of Minot,ND, and he said the old saying up there is "Why not Minot? Freezin' is the reason". I would still go up there. I have been to South Dakota, beautiful country.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

 

[trickyasafox]

doesnt exactly fit your criteria but the para ord DAO 45's sure sound sweet. just the other day somebody was braggin how smooth they were. . . .