At last, BP tackles illegal immigration - inland!

[Ant Mod]

fjolnirsson,

Its irony that you say what you do, then when one glances down, the very first line in your sig is about oppression and liberty.

Do you think liberty only has to do with a gun? That you are only oppressed when someone takes away your guns?

The ignorance and hypocrisy of some on this board never cease to amaze me.

 

[Warren]

I have freedom of association...if I choose to associate with someone not "legal" that is my choice.

I don't claim the right to choose for you who are your customers or who you work with, I demand the same courtesy.

You want to end the problems with "illegals"? Get rid of the welfare state. No schools, no unemployment, no welfare etc. The workers won't mind and the loafers will go somewhere else.

Also if the economy continues to improve there will be a labor shortage and then this issue will drop off the political radar.

 

[minnesota oldie]

A racist I am not but I hope that all illegals do feel uncomfortable being here. Don't tell me that they are only taking jobs that no one else wants. Just ask the high school and University age kids here that are looking for a summer job. A couple of weeks ago the Border patrol hit Duluth Mn, and rounded up a whole cleaning crew at a local super market. I know of one young man who had applied for a job with the cleaning service that got hit and was turned away. After the Border Patrol raid he was called by the service and got his summer job. So if you are illegal, think of this. If they make raids in Duluth, they can get you any where. 100 miles from the border, the Canadian border.

 

[0007]

Ant Mod -
What part of the word "ILLEGAL" are you having trouble understanding? And as an aside, the usual fall-back for a left-wing bleeding-heart hate-everyone-who-disagrees-with-me liberal is to start screaming "racist
/homophobe"/ whatever the flavor of the day is etc. Try using the high road for a change.

 

[joe sixpack]

Ant Mod,

While I can appreciate the term "Rascism" when actually properly used,
it is a common way that people use to try to get others to shut up
about a problem (illegal immigration and all the problems attendant).
This is the same crap that the ACLU an MALDA will be running around
spouting in order in inflame folks and try to back off enforcement of the laws.

Actually do some research, instead of blathering about how not supporting illegal immigrants and their breaking laws is rascism. While you are doing some research, please do check out what MALDA is all about.
And how about what are the issues caused by illegal immigration? Here is one:
How many of these folks do you figure have health care coverage, for instance? Well then who would pay for the "free health care"? Am I supposed to just bend over and smile? Perhaps you do, but I'd like to at least be on speaking terms before the relationship ever approaches that.

You may welcome socialism with open arms, but I am not going to.

cheers, ab

 

[Oleg Volk]

Personally, I think the problem is with entitlements and social services billed to other taxpayers, not with immigrants. If it wasn't for the lure of freebies, we'd not mind immigrants from Mexico any more than we'd mind Californians moving to New Mexico. The language and other aspects of assimilation are in the best interest of the migrants, so they or their kids would learn soon enough. Of course, anyone actually preying on others or trespassing should be prosecuted, same as any US citizen would be.

 

[Stand_Watie]

We need to

a) Slash welfare and entitlement benefits.

b) Dramatically increase the legal number of immigrants we take from south of the border, and move those who want to come here to be AMERICANS to the front of the line. People who only want to work to send their $$ back to Mexico should only be welcome if the labor market needs them, and they should be legal and properly taxed.

c) Properly control the border and deport illegals like crazy - we don't need the BP or the INS to act like JBT's to do this.

 

[c_yeager]

I agree with Oleg. If you take away the handouts then immigrants (legal and otherwise) would have to work for a living. And working for a living is a big step towards being an American in my book.

 

[Matt1911]

"Don't tell me that they are only taking jobs that no one else wants. Just ask the high school and University age kids here that are looking for a summer job. "
hahhahaha! How about the carpenters,drywallers,cement finishers,bricklayers,all jobs nobody wants? PLEASE!!! Look around any new subdivision in northwest Indiana,"la migra" would be very busy. We don't all want to be steel mill workers,do we?

 

[c_yeager]

If a mexican can come to this country, pay the same bills as everyone else, take care of his family, and at the same time engage in a skilled field of expertise and is willing to do so for less than an "american" then more power to him.

 

[Waitone]

The point of contention now is with criminal immigration being a way for US companies to shift cost burdens from them to the taxpayer. Hire a legal American for a job and there is no end to the mandated benefits to be provided.

Hire a criminal alien and all kinds of costs simply disappear. Instead of providing medical care through private insurance as they would with a legal employee the criminal alien get his health insurance through various welfare programs. Presto chango, a liability in the private sector reappears as a charge to the government.

One reason business like to hire criminal aliens is because it shifts the cost burden from the business owner to the taxpayer. In essence the taxpayer now subsidizes the private business owner. That is why I want workplace enforcement. Grab the criminal aliens and thump the business owner at the same time.

 

[wingman]

If a mexican can come to this country, pay the same bills as everyone else, take care of his family, and at the same time engage in a skilled field of expertise and is willing to do so for less than an "american" then more power to him.

Actually you should care we all should because it's not who they are or
where they are from it's the numbers. At some point the "boat" becomes
to full and then we sink from over population, more people, more crime,
more laws, less freedom. If you think we will have any freedom remaining
in 40 years with the rate of immigration/population you would be very wrong.

I have lived in the southwest over 30 years and I have never seen it
as bad as it is now, we have border cities that are in the US but act
and run as if in Mexico and mostly cared for and paid by the American
taxpayer.

Illegal immigration benefits the rich in both countries only, stats say
it cost the average taxpayer $2400 per year in this country in benefits
for illegals. Here in Texas we cannot build enough schools to house
incoming children, property taxes go up and up, income tax is rearing
it's ugly head and in time will be used because in fact there is no other
was unless we slow the growth.

I have said this before but I will ask again how many can the US take
care of before we are destroyed, can we feed and house the world and
still maintain our way of life, personnaly I would like to see a world that
everyone eats, works, and has a good life but if we do not maintain
our way of life, quality of life, it will only get worse for the rest of the world.

Controlled, limited, legal, immigration is the correct, only way.

 

[redhead]

Personally, I think the problem is with entitlements and social services billed to other taxpayers, not with immigrants. If it wasn't for the lure of freebies, we'd not mind immigrants from Mexico any more than we'd mind Californians moving to New Mexico. The language and other aspects of assimilation are in the best interest of the migrants, so they or their kids would learn soon enough.

Lots of truth there. My grandparents immigrated from Russia to escape the Bolsheviks. They got no handouts - no supplemental security income check, no food stamps, no free medical care. They started businesses, they learned English, their children learned English. Their sons went to war for the US in WWII, some of them died, some were wounded. They were Americans. I remember my grampa, although he died when I was very young. He was a prominent member of the community he settled in - a respected businessman, and the town's first fire chief.

On the other side of the coin - my husband worked for a little while in a county medical clinic. Illegal immigrants got free health care. The state had passed a law establishing a special fund to pay for their care. Made me real proud to pay for their health care (not). The city of Concord has built, at taxpayer expense, a day labor center, where the immigrants can gather to be picked up for day jobs. I don't know that they are illegal immigrants, would I would guess that many of them are. Day labor is a good way for someone who is here illegally, with no valid social security number, to get work, paid in cash. Sounds like the city is enableing illegal behavior.

Vicente Fox has no interest in stopping illegal immigration from Mexico to the US. The money sent back there from workers here rrepresents a large percentage of income in Mexico. He doesn't want to deal with the social and economic problems in his country - it's easier to export them.

 

[Art Eatman]

It is estimated that illegals send some $40 billion per year back to Mexico.

The other major source of money to Mexico is from selling protection to the Drug Lords. Some believe the Drug Lords "corrupted" Mexico. Wrong. The Drug Lords are cash-cows, merely functioning as customers of a corrupt system.

As long as our Nanny-state giveaway programs are in place, there will be no reduction in the numbers of illegals coming here.

Art

 

[Waitone]

Criminal immigration also serves as a pressure relief valve in the pressure cooker we call Mexico. The country is ruled by a handful of corrupt familes who rule for their benefit. The country is in bed with drug producers and trafficers. Internal pressures are relieved by allowing the disenfranchised a way out, as hazardous as it is.

If the US were to take measures to hinder criminal immigration societal pressures would increase to the point the ruling class would have to fix the mess or get gone or get dead.

We do no service to the long suffering Mexicans by allowing them to leave. Once again the US is acting against its own best interests.

 

[wingman]

Art and Waitone, well said, this is a huge problem more serious I believe
then Iraq, we need to fix Mexico's problem because they will/cannot do
it and the burden on the American taxpayer will become so great that
it will cause a fragmentation of our society which has already begun.

 

[JPL]

"...Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


Except you.

Or you.

Or you.

Get out, country's closed.

Maybe they should just hang a sign from the torch...

"NO VACANCIES"

 

[Third_Rail]

JPL, remove the sarcasm and you've actually got a good idea, believe it or not.

When the gov't starts "helping" illegal immigrants with everything, we become a better target, meaning more illegals, meaning more word of mouth about handouts, meaning more illegals, etc.

Read "Alien Nation" by Peter Brimelow if you're interested in the actual numbers.

 

[wingman]

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

No flame intended however hang this sign above your home front door
and leave it unlocked how long would you survive.?

 

[JPL]

Sarcasm?

No.

Just a feeling of deep, deep sadness.

I guess it must be that residual liberal in me.

 

[Ant Mod]

What part of the word "ILLEGAL" are you having trouble understanding? And as an aside, the usual fall-back for a left-wing bleeding-heart hate-everyone-who-disagrees-with-me liberal is to start screaming "racist

SLavery was legal 150 years ago. Segregation was legal 40 years ago.

Owning a AR copy is illegal in Ca.

That doesnt make it right does it?

This whole discussion has been about illegal immigrants and mexicans. Never was one other ethnic group targeted or talked about. Even though mexicans are not the only illegal immigrants in this country. Everyone always said mexicans including you. You are targeting a group of people based on their nationality. If thats not racism I dont know what is.

 

[JPL]

I don't think I would go with an accusation of racism here.

This article was about California, where the number of illegal immigrants of Mexican extraction is far greater than any other group.

That's simple geographics.

Mexico is a lot closer to California than say Honduras or El Salvador or Haiti.

Even in the Washington, DC, area it would appear that the number of illegal aliens of Mexican extraction far outweigh those from other nations.

So, to say that it's an issue with largely with Mexicans at this time is a statement of fact, not an issue of racial bias.

 

[Mute]

And what about those who come to the U.S. and become citizens legally? How is it fair to them when politicians pander to the law-breakers? It seems typical that those who support illegal immigrants always ignores then legality issue and raises the specter of racism.

 

[Warren]

One of the big problems in this issue is that property owners have lost so many of their property rights which makes it harder in controlling tresspassing.

If their rights were respected and they could deal with tresspassers in an effective way then we would see less crossing of those property lines.

Following that if the entire border region were to be turned into private property and the owners had all their rights I think "walk across" immigration would be severely restricted, without increasing our reliance on a government program. Or expecting more than they can give.

 

[sturmruger]

Actually up here in WI, MN we have illegals from all over the place. Somalia, Hmong, Cambodians, and Mexicans. They all piss me off the same. It upsets me that they think it is ok to break the law here in the US. If they aproach our imigration law in a cavalier manner who is to say they won't treat our other laws the same.

I have many friends that have immigrated to this country legaly, they end up filling out mountains of paperwork, and spend a large amount of time doing everything the INS tell them they need to do. They pay taxes and work hard. Just because most people refer to illegals by their nationality doesn't mean we are racist, it is simply the easiest way to identify who we are talking about. What else are we supposed to call them??

There is a lawful way to immigrate to the US, these Mexicans Somalians, and Hmong need to stop doing it illegaly and start filling out the paperwork so they can come to the US the right way.

According to Ant Mod most everything I said above is racist. I will have to let my friends that are legal immigrants know that according to some guy on the internet I am a racist. I am sure they will get a laugh out of that one.