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  1. bnolsen

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    Build bridges? For this you go to the deacons/elder of the church and demand clarification and/or removal. Depending on what they do you stay or walk. Not sure how this ends up in some civil war.
     
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    The Presbyterian church has been spewing political ideology for decades now. You were just fine walking out. Find somewhere else that makes you happy.
     
  3. ilbob

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    Churches have been taught that the preacher is near infallible and trying to correct his/her behaviour is generally difficult without firing him/her.

    I think part of the answer to this is to find out what the preacher actually believes prior to hiring him/her. A lot of churches the process amounts to a sales call on the part of the potential new hire, without much time for anyone to really find out what the potential preacher thinks about much of anything.

    Incidentally, just a personal opinion. The fact that your minister is female, as evidenced by your referring to her with a female pronoun, suggests you may be going to a church that is not especially conservative. It seems to me the bible is pretty unequivical about church leadership being a strictly male function. Everyone is of course free to believe the parts of the bible they want to and ignore the parts that are inconvenient.
     
  4. George P

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    What about all of the parts that have been left out over the years?
     
  5. huntsman

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    What passes for “mainstream” Christianity seem to align with leftest gun grabbers but Non-denominal bible believers favor traditional rights including RKBA.

    Organized has less to do with it than the leadership and their places of education.

    The Baptists I know are pro RKBA otherwise I wouldn’t associate with them :)
     
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  6. Armored farmer

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    This is true.
    I would have walked out with you, but i would find another church. I would not pledge all my offering to the NRA.
     
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    Local PresB was preaching the vanishing of assault weapons two weeks after the Texas chapel shooting (which was ended by an assault weapon). I did not leave a tip.

    Find a better denomination.
     
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  8. horsemen61

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    Op id done the same thing
     
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    So you only associate with people you agree with?

    This is how we divide ourselves into "tribes." The problem is, the pro-gun "tribe" is a diminishing minority. We need to get allies outside the tribe or else we are soon going to be outvoted.
     
  10. ilbob

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    Do the parts that were "left out" suggest that female ministers are OK.

    I seem to recall that part of how the early church decided just what books would be canonical was whether they agreed theologically with the books that were already considered canonical.

    Pretty much the only books they threw out without considerable thought were books that taught gnosticism, which was considered heretical by the early church, since it appears to have developed from pre-Christian beliefs.

    Your comment is a fair one though. Someone decided what religious books would be canonical and what would be thrown out, or retained as kind of an auxiliary to the bible such as the apocrypha.

    Incidentally it is not like people have stopped writing books about religious beliefs. While not canonical in a legalistic way, the Catholic catechism and the Anglican Book of Common Prayer have become for many people an extension of the Bible. This is a lot like how Heller is now part of the doctrine for dealing with the second amendment. These things change over time. Often the change is very subtle but over time it can be quite significant. At one time the Catholic church taught that one's time in Purgatory could be quite long. There was even a monk who calculated how many centuries a certain pope would have to stay there. The latest Papal pronunciation on the subject seems to suggest that it might just be that people pass through Purgatory in an instant and spend effectively no time there at all. They cannot give up the Purgatory idea after 2000 years, but they can adjust it considerably so it no longer means as much. Sort of like what the courts and legislatures did to the 2A.
     
  11. huntsman

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    I’m cordial to all and will talk to most witness to all but associate with fellow believers mostly.

    By believers I mean faith and RKBA
     
  12. LiveLife

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    Exodus 22 - 2. If a thief is caught breaking in at night and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed 3. but if it happens after sunrise, the defender is guilty of bloodshed.

    Luke 22 - 36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one" 38 The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied.

    The bible tells us to defend ourselves at home, even with lethal force and arm ourselves from our enemy. I would have hard time telling my wife and daughter to use a kitchen knife against a gun wielding intruder. I want to provide my family with the best weapons they could use to protect themselves.

    I am sure in the biblical days, the home owner would have used the best available weapon. If a sword/spear was available and home owner's/family's lives were in danger, I don't think the home owner would reach for a stick. If a gun was available, I am inclined to think the home owner would use the gun.
     
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    ^ you need to add V-3 for full content.
     
  14. LiveLife

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    Done
     
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    Our church (SBC affiliated but in reality more non-denominational) partners with literally every other church in the region which are willing to partner with us and have group events periodically. One such event is “Mancamp” in which typically father/son or similar groups of adults and youngsters of all ages camp and do guy stuff. One key thing that they do is teach the youngsters gun safety, and they give everybody the option of hitting the firing line. One of these days I hope to have somebody to take but currently I’m the only testosterone producing person in the home. Great team building, educational, social event which could bring more like minded folks to the church. It’s an outreach and I reach opportunity all in one.
     
  16. jrmiddleton425

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    Call her on it. Bring her an M1 rifle, and if she's for real, she should be able to do all of the following without reading from anything:

    *Identify the rifle by its' proper nomenclature, U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, M1.
    *State that it is clip-fed, air-cooled, gas-operated, shoulder-fired, and semi-automatic.
    *Name and indicate internal and external parts of the rifle. Field strip and reassemble.
    *Adjust the sights for windage and elevation.
    *Simulate load and unload.
    *Execute, with and without arms, all commands (positions, facings, salutes, etc.) required by School of the Soldier.
    *State, in random order when the number is called, General Orders of the Sentry.

    Do it in church, in front of God and everybody. If she can't *handle* a rifle, she has no business telling anyone else they need to be banned.
     
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    Do you have a group of elders? I had a pastor during Desert Shield that called soldiers murderers during a sermon. I was a USAR Captain waiting to be called up at the time and I was ready to quit the church. I was told by a friend that our elders were sitting the pastor down and laying the law down to him. Most of them were former military. I stayed for a while and he never went off like that again.

    Now if your elders agree with her, I might soul search and ask myself if that church was the right place for me.
     
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  18. EIB0879

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    The only thing that passes down in military families is USAA memberships.
     
  19. SharpDog

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    Guns can't be evil, only people can. She should know that!
     
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  20. Demi-human

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    Computers, on the other hand...:evil:
     
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  21. hso

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    You should talk with her and express your dismay at the attack on you and other congregates she delivered. If she doesn't express any regret for it you should contact the next level of the church and complain that combining secular politics with sermon and telling members of the congregation that they're essentially evil is a violation of her relationship with the congregation and the church. Talk to other congregation members about asking for a new minister since you can "fire" ministers that stray too far from the congregation's beliefs.
     
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  22. Danoobie

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    These mouthy liberals MAKE these killers who they are. Nikolas Cruz wasn't created in a vacuum. The school had this
    touchy- feelie "plan" to try to avoid giving offenders a permanent record. They coddled him repeatedly, and let him off the hook.
    When the left's little social flower went ballistic, they suddenly start screaming "SEE? SEE?? It's all gun owners and the NRA's
    fault ! ". WE had nothing to do with this. We would have let him go to jail, and take his lumps. AND IF HE'D BEEN IN JAIL, he wouldn't
    have been in a school, with a gun, murdering children, now would he?
     
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  23. dwstone1227

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    When Jesus was in the Garden of Gethsemane, Judas gave him a kiss and the Roman soldiers aressted Jesus. Peter pulled his sword and cut off one soldiers ear. Jesus did heal the soldiers ear and he did tell Peter to return his sword to his sheath. From reading this Jesus did not require Peter to be unarmed nor did he tell Peter to throw away his sword. My take on this is that Jesus understood the need to be armed and did not tell his “congregation” that they need not be armed.
     
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