Bad incident at college; what should I do?

[average_shooter]

LMAO!!! Have fun carrying a 9lb plate along with your text books. The level of paranoia on gun boards is hysterical.

Ok, so my post about doing something that would be effective and LEGAL is "hysterical" and "paranoid," but other posts about BREAKING THE LAW aren't!?! ***?

Whatever, I thought someone was actually looking for suggestions. Guess I misunderstood.

 

[NG VI]

Remember that even though most judges and associated court people have forgotten this, they are under no obligation to follow through with prosecuting violations of the law if they determine that it would not be appropriate to do so. like for instance if your school refuses to step up 'security' after having expelled a student for a violent and destructive outburst, and a student decides to 'secure' his own classroom, when temper tantrum student comes back looking to hurt people.

Just saying, I think I would risk legal complications to keep myself alive. although even in a really bad situation you should avoid drawing, it sucks for the rest of the school but if you can take off, do it, a felony charge would ruin your life unless you could have it pardoned or not go through court at all. but in a situation where you round the corner and are face to face with the guy, you'd kind of be out of other options wouldn't you?

 

[ckay]

You will face felony charges. Don't think an act of heroism will keep you out of the justice system.

 

[ckay]

Ok, so my post about doing something that would be effective and LEGAL is "hysterical" and "paranoid," but other posts about BREAKING THE LAW aren't!?! ***?

Whatever, I thought someone was actually looking for suggestions. Guess I misunderstood.

I find it hysterically funny. That's all. My backpack was heavy enough in college. I'm not about to add nine more lbs. I'll just either a) duck, or b) rush the shooter. Depending on whether or not I ate my Wheaties that morning.

 

[NG VI]

I know it won't but I'm just saying that judges and juries are under no obligation to ignore their own judgement in regards to a stiuation in which a law was broken, should they feel that the violation was not as big a deal as what would have happened had the law not been violated. of course that doesn't happen much, and hasn't for awhile. I can't remember what that is called, maybe one of our members familiar with the legal system can pull it for us?

 

[average_shooter]

NG VI are you thinking of Jury Nullification? I believe that is where the jury can decide that in a particular instance the defendant is not guilty because the law is bad or unclear.

 

[CountGlockula]

Learn Muay Thai.

 

[archigos]

I find it hysterically funny. That's all. My backpack was heavy enough in college. I'm not about to add nine more lbs. I'll just either a) duck, or b) rush the shooter. Depending on whether or not I ate my Wheaties that morning.

It is hysterically funny... that colleges are forcing students to think like that just to be safe on campuses.
Would I go to the extent of buying body armor for school? Probably not, but thats a judgment based on cost/benefit ratio.
Lets judge where the real tinfoil hattery is:
a) A student who wants the means to defend himself, is stripped of the ability to carry arms by law, and considers resorting to body armor because he has no other reliable alternative
b) A society in which an inanimate object becomes inherently evil and is not permitted to be used legitimately to defend yourself or others in specific areas

 

[Avenger29]

There are a couple of reasons that I do not carry a gun on campus

1) It's hard to get one. I'm under 21. My buddy has offered to sell me a S&W M&P 9mm compact, but I don't want to get him in trouble should I be caught with it or be forced to use it.

2) I'm afraid of printing, or dropping it, or having something happen that the pistol would be exposed and I would be busted. Murphy's Law, for this one.

3) If I was 21 and had a CCW, I'm pretty sure I could only get expelled and be arrested for a misdemeanor. Under 21, the whole situation changes.

I do carry either a big 3 cell maglite or a crowbar, and a big, sharp, folding knife. Just about everybody at my college has a knife, and many do carry, so I am not worried about that.

 

[MT GUNNY]

What kind of rules do colleges have about search's in dorm rooms, is a warrant needed. In peticular Im thinking of a safe small, high quality.
I think you all know what Im getting at!

 

[ckay]

It is hysterically funny... that colleges are forcing students to think like that just to be safe on campuses.
Would I go to the extent of buying body armor for school? Probably not, but thats a judgment based on cost/benefit ratio.
Lets judge where the real tinfoil hattery is:
a) A student who wants the means to defend himself, is stripped of the ability to carry arms by law, and considers resorting to body armor because he has no other reliable alternative
b) A society in which an inanimate object becomes inherently evil and is not permitted to be used legitimately to defend yourself or others in specific areas

Good post. I failed to see that aspect of it. I've just never felt a level of fear where I felt I had to have a weapon(be it a handgun, knife, baton) on me at all times and I've walked through many shady neighborhoods during my college years in Manhattan.

 

[ckay]

What kind of rules do colleges have about search's in dorm rooms, is a warrant needed. In peticular Im thinking of a safe small, high quality.
I think you all know what Im getting at!

I've had Albany Police show up at my door with dogs before...it's not your property to have the ability to consent a search to.

 

[Patrick_Henry]

How about a bunch of marbles in a bandanna? This would serve you very effectively as a weapon in a pinch and should anyone question you just tell them you like playing marbles. You could maybe get a surefire or some such small, powerful pocket flashlight as well...

I do think colleges these days are dangerous enough to justify wanting to carry something though... my college just happens to allow knives thats all...

 

[kd7nqb]

One camp simply says concealed means concealed and says carry anyway, I am not of that camp since I understand how bad things could end up if you so much as printed while carrying.

A second camp says try and rationalize with your university and see if they can either step up their security or preferably allow for CHL's to be recognized.

There are no easy answers. Frankly its my theory that situations like this have contributed to the popularity of pocket auto's

 

[Tim the Enchanter]

Get one of those surplus flareguns. Its not a weapon, its so you can signal for help.

 

[tourer]

I'm with Rapidfire85, Report it NOW!

 

[Nobody's_Hero]

Colleges get upset when you bring knives, but they throw hissy-fit temper tantrums when you bring guns. So, I'd invest in a good knife, and just not wave it around.

Edit: But, you didn't hear that from me.

 

[Tribal]

What kind of rules do colleges have about search's in dorm rooms, is a warrant needed. In peticular Im thinking of a safe small, high quality.
I think you all know what Im getting at!

Where I went, they could search anything that's "theirs" pretty much whenever they wanted. However, they can't so much unzip anything that's "yours." If you have any items of "questionable" nature, store them in opaque (and preferably hard) containers you own. Spend $30 for a lockbox.

That said, if you're not legally old enough to buy/own a handgun, I would strongly advise you to think about your choices. Unless you're facing imminent and nearly certain death or serious bodily harm (e.g. have a violent ex-boyfriend you know is coming for you), don't even think about it. Come up with some plan that keeps you alive and out of jail.

 

[bikerdoc]

put together a group of like minded friend ,think, plan, and pray you never have to react

 

[buck00]

After I left school yesterday afternoon, a student at the college I attend had a raging storm of a temper tantrum and attacked the hallway right outside of my classroom.

Honestly, the issue of CCW has already been covered on this forum. You can CCW on a college campus (thus protecting yourself) the only trade-off is if you ever have to use it... you'll get expelled (but possibly save your own life in the process). A catch 22.

I've seen kids freak out before, I wouldn't chalk it up as a clear and present danger.

Now, if the kid said "I'm coming back and I'm shooting up the school from the clock tower!" you would have a serious red flag.

But as I said, you can CCW... you just have to a) keep it concealed b) don't tell anyone and C) obviously run the risk if you are patted down by public safety you are getting expelled. However, I carried without any problems on campus back in the day.

 

[B yond]

I'm not going to tell you to consider taking a weapon to school to defend yourself. You have to figure that out for yourself.

I will guarantee you that someone on that campus is armed, even though it's against the rules, and that person won't get caught as long as no one knows about it.

 

[B yond]

Honestly, the issue of CCW has already been covered on this forum. You can CCW on a college campus (thus protecting yourself) the only trade-off is if you ever have to use it... you'll get expelled (but possibly save your own life in the process). A catch 22.

So deal with the catch 22 or risk catching a 9mm.

 

[B yond]

duplicate

 

[ASM826]

I work on a campus

So I go to work every day unarmed. I don't like it, but I would quit before I would carry. The consequences would be severe. I think the law should be changed, but I do not advocate breaking the law.

 

[Headless]

Honestly, the issue of CCW has already been covered on this forum. You can CCW on a college campus (thus protecting yourself) the only trade-off is if you ever have to use it... you'll get expelled (but possibly save your own life in the process). A catch 22.

I've seen kids freak out before, I wouldn't chalk it up as a clear and present danger.

Now, if the kid said "I'm coming back and I'm shooting up the school from the clock tower!" you would have a serious red flag.

But as I said, you can CCW... you just have to a) keep it concealed b) don't tell anyone and C) obviously run the risk if you are patted down by public safety you are getting expelled. However, I carried without any problems on campus back in the day.

Just in case you didn't read the thread - in Florida (where the OP is) it's a crime to carry on college campus. It's a felony if you have no concealed weapons permit (CWP), and a class 2 misdemeanor if you do have a CWP.